'Kicked him to the curb': How Elon Musk forced Vivek Ramaswamy out of DOGE

[Musings]

Guys please discuss the topic and not the poster

 

[r3alist]

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

When does "since" starts from?

I guess since starts from the time Trump started making his opinion public.

Trump made the point clear back on 30th Dec or so. He supports H1B.

Also, yesterday and today itself he again re-iterated it.



Whats the point of saying same thing again when the people who should agree have agreed to it.

Are you stupid on purpose? Trump is saying something very different then what you are implying. America will not end work visas for highly qualified individuals from anywhere. But he will make sure white collar jobs which americans can do for higher wage are not filled by importing 3rd world slaves.

USA can become like Gulf countries with end of birth right citizenship. Many now will not bother migrating to USA and those who do will only go for for 10-20 years. TBH this likely to be the case in Europe as well in near future with far right governments.

This is how they will control white replacement. Whites will just die out instead of being replaced.

 

[AjayGhatak]

Are you stupid on purpose? Trump is saying something very different then what you are implying. America will not end work visas for highly qualified individuals from anywhere. But he will make sure white collar jobs which americans can do for higher wage are not filled by importing 3rd world slaves.

USA can become like Gulf countries with end of birth right citizenship. Many now will not bother migrating to USA and those who do will only go for for 10-20 years. TBH this likely to be the case in Europe as well in near future with far right governments.

This is how they will control white replacement. Whites will just die out instead of being replaced.

Certain Pakistani drink the kool-aid harder than MAGA Americans themselves. LOL!

BTW, on that EO for birth right?

Enjoy!



So the EO will now need to go through the legal gauntlet and no birth right end is coming with in 30 days. Status Quo will be preserved till courts debate.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Issue was not purely of that tweet after all... It was that of interests at its core.

Sure

"Vivek Ramaswamy confirmed to National File that his H-1B crash out calling Americans lazy led to his departure from DOGE."


another desperate tweet from vijeet to fit in MAGA

 

[Developereo]

The most funny thing about entire vivek episode is this :



In his tough love to America, Vivek has not even said a single word about H1B. It was one of those "Asian tiger dad" kind of tweet. "Why you dont have time for math and science if you have time for this stupid show?", "Why being a doctor is not important than sleeping over at choi's place?" so on...

He has always maintained a negative opinion on H1B.

And he gets the boot!

Truth is indeed like poetry. lol!

You and Vivek are missing the point completely.

Indians are hired for tech jobs

• NOT because they are better qualified
• NOT because they work cheaper
• BUT because they are Indian

In many, many, many cases the Indians are grossly unqualified but nobody is allowed to complain because of political correctness.

This narrative that highly qualified Indians are taking jobs from lazy Americans is the Indian propaganda that is being spread by Vivek. For all his American integration and the opportunities that America has given to him, he is still an Indian bigot at heart.

 

[AjayGhatak]

You and Vivek are missing the point completely.

Indians are hired for tech jobs

• NOT because they are better qualified
• NOT because they work cheaper
• BUT because they are Indian

There is a fundamental point...

Businesses are private ventures and in a capitalistic countries like USA they are not beholden to hire americans or any one.

They are not even beholden to hire "better" people.

They are only beholden to produce value for their shareholders.

Google, Microsoft etc have produced massive value for their shareholders over past 20 years.

So whatever they were doing was working. Does not matter whatever was the reason.

I made millions on my microsoft and Amazon shares that I got as an employee and as a shareholder and as an investor. In my book, both companies did great whom so ever they were hiring.

Put it in this way. When the same Americans go to stores to buy stuff, how many of them buy stuff that was made in USA? They look for their convinience. May be price? May be after sales service? May be just packaging? May be freebies? May be marketing? May be anything!

If it gives them utility they buy. Place of origin be damned!

 

[vasanthm]

Wow, the Pakistanis here are suddenly the torchbearers for poor white Americans. Such generosity, such selflessness—it’s almost poetic! And if Trump himself stood up tomorrow and said, “We need H1Bs for some things,” Pakistanis would be like, “No, jee! Only gorey log for these jobs! Yeh brown log kaam bigaad dete hain!” The dedication to protecting Western jobs is truly inspiring—makes you wonder why they aren’t on Forbes’ philanthropy list yet!

 

[Developereo]

There is a fundamental point...

Businesses are private ventures and in a capitalistic countries like USA they are not beholden to hire americans or any one.

Wrong.

If they operate in the US, they must comply with anti-discrimination laws. Firing people just for being white and replacing them with Indians violates the law. They get away with it because nobody dares complain due to political correctness.

They are not even beholden to hire "better" people.

Public companies are beholden to their shareholders to squeeze maximum value for money. Hiring an unqualified Indian over a qualified non-Indian is not in the shareholders' interest.

Google, Microsoft etc have produced massive value for their shareholders over past 20 years.

So whatever they were doing was working.

This is an gross simplification. Anyone who has worked in any decent sized company knows how much deadwood is carried. You would know that the most important thing is not whether a project succeeds or fails, but how well management spins the outcome.

We are already seeing the quality of software deteriorate, partly because of the pitfalls of agile, and partly for other reasons. Companies routinely release buggy software because they will fix the bugs in the next release.

I have worked in Indian-dominated projects where every single aspect of the project was substandard: the architecture, design, coding, testing, every single thing was substandard. The Indians were learnings things on the job that we used to do twenty years ago. But these were financial companies loaded with cash, and could afford to shrug off additional project costs.

It is impossible to know how much better these companies would have done if they had hired better qualified people instead of less qualified Indians.

 

[AjayGhatak]

Sure

"Vivek Ramaswamy confirmed to National File that his H-1B crash out calling Americans lazy led to his departure from DOGE."


another desperate tweet from vijeet to fit in MAGA

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[Developereo]

Wow, the Pakistanis here are suddenly the torchbearers for poor white Americans.

It's not about whites. All non-Indians get discriminated against. Even ABCD and Westernized Indians are shunned in favor of FOB Indians. If you're not eating pav bhaji and veggie saag for lunch, you will be out of place.

@AjayGhatak would be discriminated against just as much as anyone else.

 

[r3alist]

There is a fundamental point...

Businesses are private ventures and in a capitalistic countries like USA they are not beholden to hire americans or any one.

They are not even beholden to hire "better" people.

They are only beholden to produce value for their shareholders.

Google, Microsoft etc have produced massive value for their shareholders over past 20 years.

So whatever they were doing was working. Does not matter whatever was the reason.

I made millions on my microsoft and Amazon shares that I got as an employee and as a shareholder and as an investor. In my book, both companies did great whom so ever they were hiring.

Put it in this way. When the same Americans go to stores to buy stuff, how many of them buy stuff that was made in USA? They look for their convinience. May be price? May be after sales service? May be just packaging? May be freebies? May be marketing? May be anything!

If it gives them utility they buy. Place of origin be damned!

Yes that's true, that's a strong argument

But you must know you are not acknowledging the other side from those Americans who are disgruntled, some may not even be maga

You are stuck logically in a Gordian knot of how Americans and products of the full American education system have the brilliance and endeavour to create silicon valley, with the tech and developments in science and math they in large part created

Yet are told to be found lacking in occupying many of the subsequent jobs, not only that but then that those from a developing nation are much better, harder working , why are they obviously better

Tech is not it, people from all backgrounds want to work in tech, but if strong American university grads are complaining on not getting a break there will be issues, what of all those American tiger mums and dads who expect their kids to get into silicon valley, if you don't acknowledge these aspect then you are intentionally being tone deaf

 

[r3alist]

It's not about whites. All non-Indians get discriminated against. Even ABCD and Westernized Indians are shunned in favor of FOB Indians. If you're not eating pav bhaji and veggie saag for lunch, you will be out of place.

@AjayGhatak would be discriminated against just as much as anyone else.

Why has no h1b advocate acknowledged this story?

Insiders Tell How IT Giant Favored Indian H-1B Workers Over US Employees

IT company Cognizant leaned on Indian workers and discriminated against US employees, a federal jury found. Black and Hispanic employees were affected most.

www.bloomberg.com

So apparently there is zero issue with the system...

 

[Developereo]

Why has no h1b advocate acknowledged this story?

Insiders Tell How IT Giant Favored Indian H-1B Workers Over US Employees

IT company Cognizant leaned on Indian workers and discriminated against US employees, a federal jury found. Black and Hispanic employees were affected most.

www.bloomberg.com

So apparently there is zero issue with the system...

Political correctness stops people from pointing out the obvious. I am surprised to see even this much attention but this issue will be suppressed in time.

In the West, the media has made it so that the only people you can openly attack are Muslims, Catholics, and certain ethnicities and nationalities. All the anger that people have towards the economy or any woke issue, they channel that anger towards Muslim immigrants because the media has legitimized that outlet for their pent up anger.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@r3alist

all those American tiger mums and dads who expect their kids to get into silicon valley,

These "tiger mums and dads" must counsel their kids to accept lower wages and work longer hours. Their kids will be fine then.

Americans and products of the full American education system have the brilliance and endeavour to create silicon valley, with the tech and developments in science and math they in large part created. Yet are told to be found lacking in occupying many of the subsequent jobs, not only that but then that those from a developing nation are much better, harder working ,

The creators of the Silicon Valley didnt all come from the American education system. Besides, they were products of an earlier generation who had the work ethic. Maybe the current generation graduating don't have the same work ethic?

Regards