'Kicked him to the curb': How Elon Musk forced Vivek Ramaswamy out of DOGE

[AjayGhatak]

I have met some ABCDs who were very traditional and not very Westernized. They would fit in with FOB Indians and would not face discrimination.



Disingenuous walkback. This is what you wrote:

"Businesses are private ventures and in a capitalistic countries like USA they are not beholden to hire americans or any one."

They are beholden not to discriminate on the basis of race or other factors. Indians do this blatantly. 70% of H1-B visas going to Indians is not normal unless there is blatant bias at play.



I already addressed this. Big companies have lots of deadwood and can carry excess fat for a long time. You clearly have not spent much time in management and are not aware how these games are played. There is no way to know what the growth would have been if they had hired on merit instead of nepotism.



Discrimination is against the law so I am entirely correct to point it out. So is everyone else who is pointing out the rampant Indian nepotism.



This is not about white v/s brown. It is about Indians v/s everyone else.

Your claim that Indians are above average in tech ability is laughably ridiculous and easily disproved. The American market is the richest market in the world and foreign companies vie to get a piece of the pie.

German companies (SAP) have dominated segments of the American market.
Chinese companies (TikTok) have dominated segments of the American market.
Not one single Indian company has dominated the American market. Not a one. How come all these genius Indians have failed miserably to penetrate the American market?

Why is it that Indians only succeed when they work for a Western company? You know the answer. We all know the answer.

Leave all this bullshit, lets cut to the chase.

If you know white strong workers are being systemically discriminated and being blocked out of tech industry, why don't you disrupt the industry by starting a business that uses this untapped talent pool of white strong workers?

Or if you are short on capital, why don't you float this idea to an investor?

If the companies are having too much dead wood and are not reaching optimal growth path, then its your golden opportunity to make money!

Start a business that disrupts a bloated brown infested company and its business by leveraging superior white talent pool.

Lets see how many investors buy that idea.

In all my years I have never seen someone even attempting that. I saw a lot of bullshit crying but no one really leveraging the white power beyond political goals by virtue of votes or right wing grift.

 

[Developereo]

Leave all this bullshit, lets cut to the chase.

If you know white strong workers are being systemically discriminated and being blocked out of tech industry, why don't you disrrupt the industry by starting a business that uses this untapped talent pool of white strong workers?

Or if you are short on capital, why don't you float this idea to an investor?

If the companies are having too much dead wood and are not reaching optimal growth path, then its your golden opportunity to make money!

Lets see how many investors buy that idea.

This issue is H1-B visas: 70% of H1-B visas go to Indians.
You claim this is meritocracy at play and there is no favoritism going on.
By your logic, 70% of top valued tech companies should be Indian.
They are not.

 

[AjayGhatak]

This issue is H1-B visas: 70% of H1-B visas go to Indians.

If there is white talent pool already existing and lying unused and that is superior to H1-Bs then why do you even need H1Bs to disrupt the bloated existing companies full of brown deadwood?

Go ahead make a company out of superior white talent pool and prove your point!

My point is simple. I am getting 20% YoY growth from existing brown infested companies. You make one that beats this by that superior but discriminated white talent pool and I will agree to your point.

Proof of the pudding is always in the eating.

 

[Developereo]

If there is white talent pool already existing and lying unused and that is superior to H1-Bs then why do you even need H1Bs to disrupt the bloated existing companies full of brown deadwood?

Go ahead make a company out of superior white talent pool and prove your point!

My point is simple. I am getting 20% YoY growth from existing brown infested companies. You make one that beats this by that superior but discriminated white talent pool and I will agree to your point.

Proof of the pudding is always in the eating.

You keep running away from the main point because you can't address it.

This is not white v/s brown, it is Indians v/s everyone else.
This is not about startups beating trillion dollar MNCs, it is about YOU proving that Indians have a 70% hold on global tech talent.

 

[AjayGhatak]

it is about YOU proving that Indians have a 70% hold on global tech talent.

Huh? Where the hell does that "70%" come from and why do I need to prove it?

Do you even know what the hell H1B is? I highly doubt you do.

 

[r3alist]

You keep running away from the main point because you can't address it.

This is not white v/s brown, it is Indians v/s everyone else.
This is not about startups beating trillion dollar MNCs, it is about YOU proving that Indians have a 70% hold on global tech talent.

You will end up answering his diversions whilst he assiduously ignores anything you might bring up that's difficult to answer


Remember this story was at first rebutted with saying it's in fact not a story, just Pakistani stirring

Now it's kind of Indians>white or American workers or nothing you can do about it

 

[Developereo]

Huh? Where the hell does that come from and why do I need to prove it?

LOL, are you for real?

This entire thread is about Vivek's claim that H1-Bs are awarded based on merit.

As part of an H1-B labor certification, the company must prove to immigration that no qualified American worker was available for the job and the company had no choice but to hire the foreigner. We have American workers saying openly that is not the case; that they were fired to make room for the H1-B.

The INA directs the Secretary of Labor to certify that there are not sufficient workers who are able, willing, qualified and available and the employment of an alien will not adversely affect the wages and working conditions of workers in the United States similarly employed.

Policies and Regulations

www.dol.gov

Do you even know what the hell H1B is?

American companies scour the globe looking for talent and 70% of that talent just happens to come from India, year after year.
Sure thing!

P.S. According to US State Department data from 2022, as much as 77 per cent of 3,20,000 H-1B visa applications went to Indians. In 2023 too, out of 3,86,000 visas, more than 72 per cent were issued to Indian nationals.

H-1B Visa Renewal To Get Major Boost In 2025. Indians To Benefit Most

Highly-skilled professionals from other countries who work in the United States will soon be able to renew their H-1B visas without having to leave the US, impacting hundreds of thousands of Indians working in specialised fields.

www.ndtv.com

 

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[AjayGhatak]

This entire thread is about Vivek's claim that H1-Bs are awarded based on merit.

Vivek, AFAIK, actually never claimed that... "H1-Bs are awarded based on merit." Can you give me a source for that?

Au countaire he said this :



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Are you sure what you are talking about?

 

[AjayGhatak]

American companies scour the globe looking for talent and 70% of that talent just happens to come from India, year after year.

As I suspected... You are debating about H1B without understanding what it is.

H1B is this much: Speciality Jobs visa. It has no component of merit in it. It only requires one to be able to do speciality jobs. Its requirement is "theoretical or practical application of a body of highly specialised knowledge". Thats all! There is no "merit" part of it.

Employers can seek such people outside USA when they can not fill a position in USA.

 

[AjayGhatak]

P.S. According to US State Department data from 2022, as much as 77 per cent of 3,20,000 H-1B visa applications went to Indians. In 2023 too, out of 3,86,000 visas, more than 72 per cent were issued to Indian nationals.

Wait a minute.....

So thats where you are getting that 70% BS from????
LOL!

Okay.

If 77% of H1B goes to india, should it mean India has 77% of global talent????

That baloney! Jesus Christ!

It only means Indians wanted to take up those jobs and American employers were not able to find Americans to do those jobs. Thats all!

BTW, many countries have visa options that are not available to Indians.
Like E-2 visa. Like TN-1 visa. Like E-3 visa.

No wonder H1Bs have more Indians. They want to do that kind of work, americans cann't find someone in their country to do it and they do not have other visa options.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Developereo @AjayGhatak

They want to do that kind of work, americans cann't find someone in their country to do it and they do not have other visa options.

At first cut, 70% seems extraordinary. But then India accounts for almost 20% of the world's population. Europe and East Asia has large IT talent but they would be too expensive to take up the sort of jobs which are offered to H1Bs. Then we have Africa, Greater Middle East (incl Pakistan and Bangladesh)- we know what kind of talent is available there! South East Asia is largely not English speaking. Once you adjust for all of that, 70% seems reasonable.

Regards

 

[r3alist]

@Developereo @AjayGhatak

They want to do that kind of work, americans cann't find someone in their country to do it and they do not have other visa options.

At first cut, 70% seems extraordinary. But then India accounts for almost 20% of the world's population. Europe and East Asia has large IT talent but they would be too expensive to take up the sort of jobs which are offered to H1Bs. Then we have Africa, Greater Middle East (incl Pakistan and Bangladesh)- we know what kind of talent is available there! South East Asia is largely not English speaking. Once you adjust for all of that, 70% seems reasonable.

Regards

Lol, brilliant in it's own way


They are well paid jobs, one of the Indian consultancies might charge say 150k for perhaps a 200k job, the h1b would get a cut of the 150k, probably enough as a living wage

In general, some jobs have been identified to be junior or grad level sort of jobs, no reason it should go to anyone other than an American , you can't surely say h1b guys should get these jobs....

 

[Developereo]

As I suspected... You are debating about H1B without understanding what it is.

H1B is this much: Speciality Jobs visa. It has no component of merit in it. It only requires one to be able to do speciality jobs. Its requirement is "theoretical or practical application of a body of highly specialised knowledge". Thats all! There is no "merit" part of it.

Employers can seek such people outside USA when they can not fill a position in USA.

I already posted a link to the DOL website. An H1-B can ONLY be awarded after an LCA is obtained, and the LCA can only be granted when the company asserts under penalty of perjury that the hiring will not displace an American worker. We have any number of American workers saying they were fired to make room for an H1-B.

I suggest you go back and read my post again.

If 77% of H1B goes to india, should it mean India has 77% of global talent????

That baloney! Jesus Christ!

It only means Indians wanted to take up those jobs and American employers were not able to find Americans to do those jobs. Thats all!

You yourself admitted that American companies scour the globe for talent. When 77% of H1-B visas go to Indians, there is bias at work.

Vivek, AFAIK, actually never claimed that... "H1-Bs are awarded based on merit." Can you give me a source for that?

Au countaire he said this :



.....

Are you sure what you are talking about?

He is literally saying that Indians are better engineers than Americans.

 

[Developereo]

@Developereo @AjayGhatak

americans cann't find someone in their country to do it

Except that we have all these Americans saying the exact opposite: that they were fired and forced to train H1-B to replace them.

People have been saying this literally for decades. It is only getting mainstream media attention now.