PAF Future Acquisition Plans

[VersusChristi]

Wont be a problem, as its in Chnese interest to keep Pakistan well enough armed to deter Indian agression.

If that was the case then 120 J-10s would have been flying in Pakistan and nor merely 20. If that were the case Pakistan would have been fielding couple of nuclear subs too.

 

[VersusChristi]

The initial aircraft was powered by RD-93, now with WS-19, does it mean we can JF-17 with the same engine ? it will make sense as for logistics too aside from more power.

Just few clarification:

WS - 19 is not yet complete or certified.
WS - 13 is essentially RD - 93 with Chinese metallurgy. WS - 13 with uprated thurst is what current prototypes are running.

 

[Harbyharb]

The initial aircraft was powered by RD-93, now with WS-19, does it mean we can JF-17 with the same engine ? it will make sense as for logistics too aside from more power.

WS-19 was designed specifically to match the engine diameter of RD-33/93/WS-13, but it doesn't necessarily make sense for JF-17 to have this engine.

IRL turbofan engines doesn't work like some game where you get flat upgrades, instead you win some you lose some. An important metric for 5th generation aircraft is supercruise and sustained, supersonic BVR maneuver warfare, which prompted not just new high performance gas generator with higher pre-turbine temperature, but also much lower bypass ratio.

The Tl;dr baseline is, unless you plan to completely redesign the JF-17 into a dedicated supersonic oriented fighter (which it is not), WS-19 will result in more fuel consumption in most low alt subsonic conditions with thrust improvement that does not justify its sophistication and cost.

 

[Sparten]

Military has own ventures and exports for generating revenue.

As much as its popular to say, no.

 

[onlinpunit]

@Nilgiri @Faceless @suryakiran interesting - what would be a pivot by India(if any) if this turns out to be true?

The most logical solution would be to approach Russia for SU 57.

A radical solution will be to get F 35..

But if this news is true then it will rouse MOD and IAF from their deep slumber.

 

[mdmm55]

You all agree that during last 60 years in Pakistan , most of Pakistani money went into pockets of men-eater establishment and Shar-Zar family. But Pak army donot want to be out from eastern enemies. Modern jet fighters and missiles will keep armyeastablishment power intact from east and west.
BUt, similarly China has solid enemies like India and Taiwan , empowered by king of west.
China knows Pakistan is a some back protection for China in the shape of Chinese arms.So China love to keep itss arsenals inside Pakistan. China has offered Pakistan J-31 .

 

[313Ghazi]

You all agree that during last 60 years in Pakistan , most of Pakistani money went into pockets of men-eater establishment and Shar-Zar family. But Pak army donot want to be out from eastern enemies. Modern jet fighters and missiles will keep armyeastablishment power intact from east and west.
BUt, similarly China has solid enemies like India and Taiwan , empowered by king of west.
China knows Pakistan is a some back protection for China in the shape of Chinese arms.So China love to keep itss arsenals inside Pakistan. China has offered Pakistan J-31 .

In what world is Taiwan an enemy of Pakistan?

Na lehn na dehn, me wi maraje di pehn.

 

[Burhaan7487]

B737 is registered AP-BNW, for air eagle, a subsidiary of shaheen foundation, it is a freighter (cargo) variant, air eagle flies passenger and cargo charters and has a fleet of SAAB2K, C130, C172, B737-3F it used to have Y12 as well.
Why it was shown, that is what i am not aware of.

A potential nod to a future MRTT program maybe?

 

[Zarvan]

We'll just have to wait and see.

We don't need to wait these things are already announced. We joined TFX program, our people are working there and we are also going to get J-31 fighter jets. Two 5th Generation Fighter jets will come in next decade INSHALLAH. J-31 and KAAN.

 

[altafahmed]

Expecting to see Turkish weapons on chinese stealth aircrafts ?

Which weapon to be specific? I am positive about China providing source code to integrate Pakistani weapons on J-31 but don't know if there is any weapon available for Pakistan that Pakistan can integrate on J-31.
For A-A Pakistan is already using Chines PL-12 and PL-15 (and developing its own FAAZ series) so I don't think Pakistan will be interested in any Turkish weapon system to integrate with Chines origin fighter. on the Contrary Pakistan specific customization of KAAN will include most likely Pakistanies/chines weapons integration.

 

[altafahmed]

As we had predicted, project Azm was always a tall order. It is a good thing they have realised this and stopped wasting time/resources.

Project Azm was not just an aircraft, it was a project for setting up aerospace industry.

 

[mdmm55]

We don't need to wait these things are already announced. We joined TFX program, our people are working there and we are also going to get J-31 fighter jets. Two 5th Generation Fighter jets will come in next decade INSHALLAH. J-31 and KAAN.

Totally Agree with you, Mr. Zavran, in a positive approach.
I do not agree with some black minds in this forum above.

 

[Barcid]

What happened to project Azm?

 

[Fatman17]

We don't need to wait these things are already announced. We joined TFX program, our people are working there and we are also going to get J-31 fighter jets. Two 5th Generation Fighter jets will come in next decade INSHALLAH. J-31 and KAAN.

You may be right but due to financial constraints we just need to be careful about these things. Remember the J-10CE deal was agreed in 2006 but Musharraf cancelled the 1.5B$ deal.

 

[maverick]

Care to explain how do u know that

I apologize, somethings are better left unsaid, its a matter of trust, which has taken 10-15 years to built. Will share more over time. ... But rest assure, Pakistan is gearing for a long long conflict, not just 2 to 3 months, we are talking about years worth of wars.... Lets see what the "new enemies" of Pakistan will do... Pakistan is waiting for their move...

But Currently the way things are going, with political instability and economic disaster, Pakistan is in an extremely weak situation.