PAF Future Acquisition Plans

[Pingle]

Nothing, We are preparing for nothing, if IAF and GOI was serious we would have seen funds, our arsehole of a govt took 1 full ducking year to release funds after CCS sanction for Tejas mk2 and you think we are serious about AMCA.
IAF is pressuring the govt for its gold plated MRFA not Tejas mk2 or AMCA.
There is no sense of urgency in any of our institution may it be the armed forces, DPSUs (ADA & HAL) or Govt of India.

We should have been be working on these projects with a war footing but This chalta hai attitude is very visible

You are right.... when it comes to defense procurement or developing on own we put even tortoise or even a snail to shame with our speed.... we are not at all serious....

Later we have a habit of crying on the battlefield when enemies humiliate us.... 1962 for example....

 

[VersusChristi]

Why would Pakistan buy TF-X in the 2030's when they can obtain these capabilities by next year with J-35? It would be redundant.

Pfft. J-35 is unlikely to be ready that soon.

 

[MMM-E]

Why would Pakistan buy TF-X in the 2030's when they can obtain these capabilities by next year with J-35? It would be redundant.

next year ? maybe next decade
J35 is still a prototype and J-35 is not true 5th gen with WS-13 Engine

also J35 is nothing to compare with 2030s KAAN ( TF-X )

KAAN's rival is J-20 , but not J-35

Both

TF-X is 21 m air superiority monster

even with American F-110-GE-129 Engine , TFX easly can match with Chinese J-35 in all fields



If there was no risk of engine embargo, Pakistan would even prefer the American engine version of KAAN to Chinese J35

as like T-129 Attack Helicopter which is far better than Chinese Z-10 Attack Helicopter
( btw Turkiye has developed TS-1400 turboshaft engine to power the T-129/629 Attack Helicopter in the next 2-3 years )

 

[S10]

next year ? maybe next decade
J35 is still a prototype and J-35 is not true 5th gen with WS-13 Engine

also J35 is nothing to compare with 2030s KAAN ( TF-X )

KAAN's rival is J-20 , but not J-35

The original prototype has flown in 2013, a decade ago and the design was continuously updated. Meanwhile TF-X is little more than a glorified mock up at this point and you're counting your 2030's chickens.

Would you like to see my imaginary spaceship that can fly at Mach 100 and completely invisible to all forms of detection? It will be ready in 2035. See what I did there?

Let's talk when you have an actual ready product.

TF-X is 21 m air superiority monster

even with American F-110-GE-129 Engine , TFX easly can match with Chinese J-35 in all fields
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If there was no risk of engine embargo, Pakistan would even prefer the American engine version of KAAN to Chinese J35.

You're comparing an existing plane that has been steadily improved for a decade vs a design that hasn't made its maiden flight. PAF made their assessment and they went with J-31 (J-35 is the carrier variant), so that settles the debate.

Pfft. J-35 is unlikely to be ready that soon.

The base model J-31 has been ready for over half a decade, but they did not find an export customer until recently. J-35 is a separate variant especially developed for carrier operation for PLAN.

 

[TopGun786]

Pakistan's own airforce is getting JF-17 Block 3 powered by RD93MA instead of WS-13 because of the same reason. It is supposed to be "eventually replaced" by WS-13. China has yet to get its engines sorted out.

How do you know PAF using RD-93MA in JF17 block III?

 

[S10]

I'm more interested as to what exactly is the current status of the J-35, 'cause i'm not certain if China has ambitions of inducting it in their Navy - as reported.

So, if Pakistan is the first & only customer - our wait may be sooner than most F-16 Block 70/72 customers.

As for TAI's KAAN. It still hasn't had its First Test Flight (yet). Currently, they're using F-16 Engines as a testbed. They're years away & we still have rust buckets like F-7 & Mirages to replace.

See that single mockup model in the back of the carrier? That's a J-35. They won't put a test model on the ship if they have no intention of inducting it.

 

[MMM-E]

The original prototype has flown in 2013, a decade ago and the design was continuously updated. Meanwhile TF-X is little more than a glorified mock up at this point and you're counting your 2030's chickens.

Keep counting for a decade of Chinese J-35 which is prototype and not true 5th gen Fighter

SU-57 also has flown in 2010 , but still SU-57 is not a true 5th gen Fighter


Now KAAN with American engine has the same capability with Chinese J-35 and Russian SU-57


We are talking about KAAN in 2033 for true 5th gen capability with new engine and 5+ features as like F-35 Block 5 update

 

[MH.Yang]

Keep counting for a decade of Chinese J-35 which is not true 5th gen Fighter
Low quality Chinese technology

SU-57 also has flown in 2010 , but still SU-57 is not a true 5th gen Fighter


Now KAAN with American engine has the same capability with Chinese J-35 and Russian SU-57


We are talking about KAAN in 2033 for true 5th gen capability with new engine and 5+ features as like F-35 Block 5 update

Okay, you win. I don't want to argue with you. Turkey has the number one 5G fighter in the world, OK?
China now seeks to acquire mankind's first moon base and the first 6G fighter jet. Of course, I know that these inferior Chinese technologies are despised by the great Turkey.

 

[huanghong]

The FC-31 for foreign trade and the J-35 used by the Navy are likely to be very different, just like the F-35A and F-35C. Being a carrier-based aircraft usually comes at a greater cost in terms of weight than a purely land-based aircraft.

 

[S10]

Keep counting for a decade of Chinese J-35 which is prototype and not true 5th gen Fighter

SU-57 also has flown in 2010 , but still SU-57 is not a true 5th gen Fighter


Now KAAN with American engine has the same capability with Chinese J-35 and Russian SU-57


We are talking about KAAN in 2033 for true 5th gen capability with new engine and 5+ features as like F-35 Block 5 update

LOL alright TURKIYE NUMBA ONE! TURKIYE SUPAPOWER FIGHTER BETTER THAN F-22 WITHOUT EVEN FLYING OFF THE GROUND.

Happy?

 

[Pingle]

I believe this is now more a matter of when and not if it will actually occur.

The Indians could be in trouble.

IAF 2023:
5 Sqd Jaguar - 130 aircraft
3 Sqd MiG-21 - 54 aircraft
3 Sqd Mirage 2000 - 45 aircraft
3 Sqd MiG-29 - 65 aircraft
2 Sqd Rafale - 36 aircraft
12 Sqd Su-30MKI - 248 aircraft
2 Sqd Tejas - 32 aircraft

The IAF had 31 active squadrons, but of the remaining 4 squadrons that will be eliminated from the MiG-21 by 2025, one of them has already been deactivated, with the composition of the IAF standing at 30 squadrons with 556 active aircraft, which means that the IAF has 12 squadrons less than it should, around 216 aircraft in deficit to face +400 PAF fighters divided into 20 squadrons and 200 PLAAF fighters from China's Western Command(WTC), mentioning that the PAF is updating its air force for the J-10CE and the JF-17 Block III(and now the 5th generation J-31), in addition, it still plans to increase another 4 or 5 squadrons, which would put another 80-100 fighters for the IAF to face , the current posture of the IAF is very weak in maintaining a structure of 42 squadrons with somewhere around 756 aircraft to go head to head with the combined fleet of around 655-700 aircraft of the PAF and PLAAF.

Either India needs to urgently resolve the AMCA, which will only be available in 2035, or move to the F-35 or return to the Su-57. There's no way. By 2035, what will be the PAF/PLAAF's stance in theater?

Just to mention, the PLAAF's 200 fighters can still contain 5th generation J-20s, combined with a fleet of PAF J-31s, the IAF will be in trouble in the early 2030s.

It is quite possible that the J-20 fleet in the PLAAF will reach 1000 fighters by +2030, I believe that around 200 units could be under the command of the WTC, combined with a small fleet of 30-100 J-31s in the PAF.

IAF 2032-2035
5 Esqd Jaguar - 130 aircraft (eliminated by 2032)
3 Esqd MiG-21 - 54 aircraft (eliminated by 2025)
3 Esqd Mirage 2000 - 45 aircraft (eliminated by 2035)
3 Esqd MiG-29 - 65 aircraft (eliminated by 2035)

Therefore, based on orders already agreed and/or rumors of orders + some baseless speculation, the IAF in 2035 would be:

2 Sqd Rafale - 36 aircraft
12-14 Sqd Su-30MKI - 248-270 aircraft
2 Sqd Tejas Mk 1 - 32 aircraft
5 Sqd Tejas Mk 1A - 83 aircraft
= 21-23 Sqd - 399-421 aircraft

Increase through MMRCA 2.0, acquiring 114 aircraft, representing around 7 squadrons. (contract almost closing)

Also mentioned is a probable extra order for another 3 Sqd Tejas Mk 1A, representing another 54 aircraft. (recent rumors)

Order of Tejas Mk 2, probably somewhere around 5 squadrons, totaling 90 aircraft. (speculation)

= 15 Sqd - 258 aircraft

In other words, by 2035, the IAF would have between 36 and 38 squadrons totaling between 657 and 679 aircraft.

NONE OF THE 5th GENERATION AIRCRAFT.

If you were an IAF officer, you would already be working hard trying to convert this inferiority that will only intensify until 2035, at the earliest.

IAF will be in bad shape agreed but by 2035 India will be far more stronger economically to manage or fast track things if required.... same can't be surely said about Pakistan....

we will have robust air defense system by then all integrated.....

 

[VersusChristi]

How do you know PAF using RD-93MA in JF17 block III?

Russian Engine For JF-17 Block 3 Fighter To Be Ready In 2021 | Aviation Week Network

The Klimov Co., a subsidiary of Russia’s United Engine Corp., plans to finish development of a new RD-93MA turbofan for the Sino-Pakistani JF-17 single-engine fighter next year.

aviationweek.com

 

[ety]

next year ? maybe next decade

Lol, PAF just announced that they are going to buy 5th gen fighters a decade in 2035 say from China ? I wonder any credible military would make such statement of procurement after a decade, must be kidding eh.

 

[VersusChristi]

The base model J-31 has been ready for over half a decade, but they did not find an export customer until recently. J-35 is a separate variant especially developed for carrier operation for PLAN.

The engine for it is not ready and has not been certified. WS-19 that is. No production has yet been started.

 

[MMM-E]

LOL alright TURKIYE NUMBA ONE! TURKIYE SUPAPOWER FIGHTER BETTER THAN F-22 WITHOUT EVEN FLYING OFF THE GROUND.

Happy?

We are not daydreamer
We are arms developer country with high quality western standard and state of the art technology

as like Turkish UCAVs , when the time comes KAAN also will join PAF inventory

and Pakistan will once again realize the superiority of Turkish weapons over its Chinese rivals