PAF Future Acquisition Plans

[Oscar]

Yes for sure, in the same way like JH-7A, J-11B, J-15 and the Liaoning and 055 DDG, and J-16 which are said to be not only available for free but like some claim already secretly in service in Pakistan … today a clown on Twitter suggested, Pakistan should introduce H-6 bombers.

You guys should stop smoking that stuff.
Come on, J-20 will not be available, J-35 won’t be ready for the PLAN in 3-4 years and surely not a not yet flown fighter J-31.

The issue is simply because even PAF professionals are guilty of making off handed statements that may not be reflective of reality because they aren’t linked or informed of it.

A few years ago a PAF Chief made a statement during an interview that they could get the F-22 if they had the funds and want it. Now we all know the F-22 is prohibited for export by law and even Clinton promising Israel the F-22 in a letter did nothing to change that.

The same way, the J-20 was not available to the PAF in my outdated but first hand knowledge from someone who is now a key decision maker in the PAF. I keep bringing this up like a record but because it was first hand and that the individual was someone critical in the JF-17s development and today is also critical - the options available to the PAF were one from Shenyang and one from Chengdu(which you may know of).

Similarly, there was also a restriction on the J-11 series due to the Russians which is why it wasn’t on the table - it might or might not be now but it wasn’t a few years ago. While whims and conditions can change at any time(Israel being allowed access to F-35 source code to fit their own systems) for the large part China treats Pakistan more so as a customer (albeit a very strong one) than a true partner. Which means that when the JF-17 was provided to Pakistan they did not give access to many systems and wanted control on integrations and supplies contrary to some expectations by the PAF.

That led to the PAF trying their own ways without OEM involvement that led to a crash and other friction as well.

So while Pakistan does get first sneak and info on a LOT of developments and systems within the Chinese defense industry that are still not in the light of day - its not a joint bank account or their daddy’s car they can touch willy nilly.

 

[MastanKhan]

I can't see paf buying two different fifth gen fighters
Firstly unit cost is massive
Secondly the operation cost per hour and maintenance is triple cost of f16 or jf17
Most countries with ten times pakistan budget cant operate one fifth gen avd you guys jumping on hearsay about Turkish and china fifty gen
Reality ....in ten years time
Turks kaan will be so limited in production hardly two sqds in Turkish air power let alone export to other nations
Turkey still need partners to finance full production with serious money
Realistic if you have 20 j35 by 2030

Second took Pakistan 15 years to buy 20 j10 which arrived 2010...
So why j35 coming asap on day one you will have done well

Hi,

Incorrect---. If indians had not made the strike & not gone for the Rafale---there would be no J-10C---.

The procurement of the J-10 C was made on the run---very fast---real fast---.

Most countries don't have an enemy 5 times the size eagerly waiting to destroy it---.

Most countries have settled their animosity of past invasions at first, during the first world war---and then during the 2nd world war---.

The nations that lost the war---like Japan, germany are a 100 years away from seeking revenge---if ever---.

But our enemy---our neighbor has yet to get satisfaction.

 

[studsmart]

Hi,

Incorrect---. If indians had not made the strike & not gone for the Rafale---there would be no J-10C---.

The procurement of the J-10 C was made on the run---very fast---real fast---.

Most countries don't have an enemy 5 times the size eagerly waiting to destroy it---.

Most countries have settled their animosity of past invasions at first, during the first world war---and then during the 2nd world war---.

The nations that lost the war---like Japan, germany are a 100 years away from seeking revenge---if ever---.

But our enemy---our neighbor has yet to get satisfaction.

very well said

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Real issue is to understand which chinese aircraft meets Paf's need and not what is available to the Paf or not.

The J-20 is a different kind of aircraft with a different utility that is a bit farther away from that of the J-31 that meets the needs of the Paf---.

If the J-20 was the aircraft that the Paf had wanted---then that is what we would see in Paf's colors---.

 

[Trailer23]

India seems quite concerned about Pakistan's spiraling economy. Odd, for a nation that demands to be considered to be super-duper Power House of the region, is (now) considering on acquiring the F-35B - against a Country they claim can't afford General Elections.

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@Oscar @Windjammer @Bilal @LeGenD @Clairvoyant @FuturePAF @GriffinsRule @HRK @Mrc @Path-Finder @Panzerkiel @Raja Porus @Signalian @White and Green with M/S @Yasser76 @Zarvan @ziaulislam

 

[Zarvan]

India seems quite concerned about Pakistan's spiraling economy. Odd, for a nation that demands to be considered to be super-duper Power House of the region, is (now) considering on acquiring the F-35B - against a Country they claim can't afford General Elections.

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@Oscar @Windjammer @Bilal @LeGenD @Clairvoyant @FuturePAF @GriffinsRule @HRK @Mrc @Path-Finder @Panzerkiel @Raja Porus @Signalian @White and Green with M/S @Yasser76 @Zarvan @ziaulislam

I doubt no one follows Indian media like me. They are getting heart attacks since this announcement

 

[Mrc]

That's their state against Pak a country that is buying j31

And they claim to b rivals of China a country that makes j31 and j20

 

[alphapak]

I doubt no one follows Indian media like me. They are getting heart attacks since this announcement

Can the Indians get F35 even though they have bought S400? They keep going
on about getting the F35.

 

[harpy1]

Can the Indians get F35 even though they have bought S400? They keep going
on about getting the F35.

India was supposed to be sanctions for s400 ....purchase ...USA waived them
Punished turkey for same deal and threw them out of f35 programme
The message ...
Indian lobby is strong in USA
If India wants f35 ...they just ask... they will arrive
Right now it's Indian reluntantance not USA dithering on f35

 

[hussain0216]

Can the Indians get F35 even though they have bought S400? They keep going
on about getting the F35.

No

 

[MastanKhan]

Can the Indians get F35 even though they have bought S400? They keep going
on about getting the F35.

Hi,

Yes they can. The US will bend the rules to contain china---but the real question is does india wants to become a lacky of the US just like pakistan---.

 

[alphapak]

India was supposed to be sanctions for s400 ....purchase ...USA waived them
Punished turkey for same deal and threw them out of f35 programme
The message ...
Indian lobby is strong in USA
If India wants f35 ...they just ask... they will arrive
Right now it's Indian reluntantance not USA dithering on f35

I think Turkiye got kicked out of F35 program because Israel does not
want Turkiye to get their hands on F35 or any other Arab Country in the region.

 

[War Historian]

The Chief of Air Staff of the Pakistan Air Force, Air Chief Marshal Zaheer Ahmed Babar today at a ceremony at the Central Air Command AOR confirmed the Pakistan Air Force’s plans to procure the Shenyang J-31 multirole stealth fighter jet from China. The CAS said that “the foundation for acquiring the J-31 Stealth Fighter aircraft has already been laid which is all set to become part of the PAF's fleet in the near future”.
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Nearly all PAF SM sites are following this development.

Ma Sha Allah, First good news of the new year.

 

[War Historian]

Indians always forget the past. So many times in the past, Pakistan had purchased the stuff for national security forces...even with empty pockets. Pakistan knows very well how to manage the seller of the weapon systems

India seems quite concerned about Pakistan's spiraling economy. Odd, for a nation that demands to be considered to be super-duper Power House of the region, is (now) considering on acquiring the F-35B - against a Country they claim can't afford General Elections.

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@Oscar @Windjammer @Bilal @LeGenD @Clairvoyant @FuturePAF @GriffinsRule @HRK @Mrc @Path-Finder @Panzerkiel @Raja Porus @Signalian @White and Green with M/S @Yasser76 @Zarvan @ziaulislam

 

[spammmmer]

India seems quite concerned about Pakistan's spiraling economy. Odd, for a nation that demands to be considered to be super-duper Power House of the region, is (now) considering on acquiring the F-35B - against a Country they claim can't afford General Elections.
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@Oscar @Windjammer @Bilal @LeGenD @Clairvoyant @FuturePAF @GriffinsRule @HRK @Mrc @Path-Finder @Panzerkiel @Raja Porus @Signalian @White and Green with M/S @Yasser76 @Zarvan @ziaulislam

GOod luck with chinese jet