PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

I think it practically is no?

In my limited experience and knowledge i believe there is no issue from China. It all depends on us if we want we can enjoy israel-US level relation especially in defence.

 

[PakAl]

Well I have been following Deino faily closely on this Forum. And one thing I have learnt which is 100% true is that whatever Deino says, EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF IT HAPPENS.

So I am happy to say that J-35s will be arriving soon just because Deino said they are NOT arriving soon.

What surprised me was alot of PDF experts were claiming J31 and J35s are completely different planes, and J35 will take a long time to get ready for induction and here we are 2025 and its ready. We had 2 main groups on PDF, ones claiming J35/J31 will come by December 2026 or before, another group claiming J35 has a few prototypes and will not be ready for December 2026, never mind paf inducting it, this same group claim paf will get it after 2030s, around 2032, my own estimate was 2032, because we don't need J35 and J10s and Jf17 are enough. Now some people are bringing the deadline back to 2028 lol, that is still so early and those who claim December 2026 are more closer to it since J35 is here and ready to rumble.

 

[Blain2]

Incorrect. I sent actual examples. You can check out, these were published, announced properly. Atleast for navy projects like Babur class corvettes, Type 54As, Hangor class submarines. We had exact timeline known. Even each milestone was announced (means we were aware of the actual progress). Like for every ship, we knew when the ship's steel cutting was done, when kneel laying was done, when it was launched in water and so on. There was absolutely no secrecy or non-disclosure.

When heads of state / PM, previously Arif Alvi then shahbaz sharif used to attend every milestone with full media coverage. If that's not proactive disclosure then what it is? Similarly, in China CNS usually goes for every milestone and that also get media highlight. If purpose is non-disclosure then even a small ceremony with less media coverage is enough and the your foes will know about it. There is nothing such thing as "Proactive disclosure". Either you disclose OR you keep it secret. There's nothing in between.

However, In some cases Pakistan kept it secretive as I explained in my original post. The crux is that is not state's policy applicable on every defense / weapon program. Its case to case basis, depends upon regional circumstances.

MOD is the source of any or all formal disclosures. Nothing gets published there for the reasons I described earlier. I am not talking about chatter, informal disclosures becoming newspaper articles. As a practice, Pakistan is secretive for good logical reasons. We have a neighbor that has a bigger budget and more freedom to acquire capabilities. For Pakistan, it makes more sense when capabilities are kept under wraps officially for as long as possible.
Funny enough, most people wait for national day parades to see what new platforms etc. have been added.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

What surprised me was alot of PDF experts were claiming J31 and J35s are completely different planes, and J35 will take a long time to get ready for induction and here we are 2025 and its ready. We had 2 main groups on PDF, ones claiming J35/J31 will come by December 2026 or before, another group claiming J35 has a few prototypes and will not be ready for December 2026, never mind paf inducting it, this same group claim paf will get it after 2030s, around 2032, my own estimate was 2032, because we don't need J35 and J10s and Jf17 are enough. Now some people are bringing the deadline back to 2028 lol, that is still so early and those who claim December 2026 are more closer to it since J35 is here and ready to rumble.

In my humble opinion it all matters on china PLAAF and PLAN need and also on production rate. China will want certain numbers for themselves after which they can allow foreign export. now that depends how many minimum china wants especially for PLAAF and how many they are able to produce per year. If they can produce 40 a year and minimum they need are 100 than after 2.5 years they can deliver J35 for foreign airforces

 

[johncliu88]

Can someone confirm this?

AVIC Releases Image of Pakistan Air Force Pilot Inside J-35A Stealth Fighter Cockpit​

News link

 

[Waz]

Can someone confirm this?

AVIC Releases Image of Pakistan Air Force Pilot Inside J-35A Stealth Fighter Cockpit​

News link

He's in a J-10 my friend.
Photo was debunked a week ago.

 

[PakAl]

I want Pakistan China relation at US-UK or US-Israel level

They're already are. The difference is USa UK Israel are not alone, they have America, EU, GCC, Quad as allies so Pak China need to be careful to not cross the big boys. China needs to expand its influence and alliances.

In my humble opinion it all matters on china PLAAF and PLAN need and also on production rate. China will want certain numbers for themselves after which they can allow foreign export. now that depends how many minimum china wants especially for PLAAF and how many they are able to produce per year. If they can produce 40 a year and minimum they need are 100 than after 2.5 years they can deliver J35 for foreign airforces

Why would China need J35 in minimum numbers before export. They already have J20s, the navy J35 is definitely needed, but we are not sure if different production lines will be started for navy and air.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

MOD is the source of any or all formal disclosures. Nothing gets published there for the reasons I described earlier. I am not talking about chatter, informal disclosures becoming newspaper articles. As a practice, Pakistan is secretive for good logical reasons. We have a neighbor that has a bigger budget and more freedom to acquire capabilities. For Pakistan, it makes more sense when capabilities are kept under wraps officially for as long as possible.
Funny enough, most people wait for national day parades to see what new platforms etc. have been added.

Well, no need to do arguments for the sake of arguments. Its simply is incorrect that Pakistan keep it secretive for every weapon system. Its not called chatter or informal disclosure when your head of state visits other country shipyard for a milestone completion on a ship that whole world knows about. It becomes credible news. Its not chatter of informal disclosure anymore. The whole plan of aquisition is made available by Govt officials. Even the past CNS in interviews to various credible publications have told timelines and plans. Your point is based on a speculation, that Pakistan does it for every weapon system. No it does not.

Example from the most "secretive" silent service / submarine force of Pakistan navy:


This photo is officially released by PN and China for steel cutting (a milestone) in naval vessels development. So purpose is deliberate to keep the nation updated on progress of the weapon project. Its no more "secret" after that. Also its illogical to say that our heads or PM or Chief of naval staffs (all officials of highest order) are particpating in ceremonies, the ceremonies which are getting media highligh in all credible media of world and then you say oh because MOD has not published it, so that means we are keeping it under the rug. No it does not happen like that. Either you keep it secret OR you disclose it. There is nothing higher or credible then heads of states or chief of military.

No need to drag it further when facts are open and in front of everyone. I already explained that in rare cases, Pakistan did tried to keep it under the rug. But not in every case. Thanks!

 

[FarhanSiddiqui]

Pakistan must buy the F-31/F-35 after China has inducted over 100 fighters and it has gone through several iterations/improvements.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

He said J36 not J35

His exact words as quoted: “the foundation for acquiring the J-31 Stealth Fighter aircraft has already been laid which is all set to become part of the PAF's fleet in the near future.”

There was no J-36 back then flying in Chinese skies.

 

[Blain2]

Well, no need to do arguments for the sake of arguments. Its simply is incorrect that Pakistan keep it secretive for every weapon system. Its not called chatter or informal disclosure when your head of state visits other country shipyard for a milestone completion on a ship that whole world knows about. It becomes credible news. Its not chatter of informal disclosure anymore. The whole plan of aquisition is made available by Govt officials. Even the past CNS in interviews to various credible publications have told timelines and plans. Your point is based on a speculation, that Pakistan does it for every weapon system. No it does not.

Example from the most "secretive" silent service / submarine force of Pakistan navy:
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This photo is officially released by PN and China for steel cutting (a milestone) in naval vessels development. So purpose is deliberate to keep the nation updated on progress of the weapon project. Its no more "secret" after that. Also its illogical to say that our heads or PM or Chief of naval staffs (all officials of highest order) are particpating in ceremonies, the ceremonies which are getting media highligh in all credible media of world and then you say oh because MOD has not published it, so that means we are keeping it under the rug. No it does not happen like that. Either you keep it secret OR you disclose it. There is nothing higher or credible then heads of states or chief of military.

No need to drag it further when facts are open and in front of everyone. I already explained that in rare cases, Pakistan did tried to keep it under the rug. But not in every case. Thanks!

We are talking about 2 different things, but not worth the back and forth on technicalities.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Assalam u Alaikum brother,

They're already are. The difference is USa UK Israel are not alone, they have America, EU, GCC, Quad as allies so Pak China need to be careful to not cross the big boys. China needs to expand its influence and alliances.

In my opinion Pakistan being a muslim country can atleast help with GCC. but for that Pakistan itself should be first a stable country.

Why would China need J35 in minimum numbers before export. They already have J20s, the navy J35 is definitely needed, but we are not sure if different production lines will be started for navy and air.

USA has over 600 5th-gen fighters plus NATO+Israel they become almost 900-100 5th-gen. China only has around 350-400-gen they will think to increase these numbers to atleast 500 or more. As they know USA alone wont come against china it will be them combine

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

His exact words as quoted: “the foundation for acquiring the J-31 Stealth Fighter aircraft has already been laid which is all set to become part of the PAF's fleet in the near future.”

There was no J-36 back then flying in Chinese skies.

i was clarifying @iblini comment who said J36 wont be offer in decades or two. The other guy took it as J35. with respect to your above comment J35 is coming pakistan but when that we dont know maybe later somewhere after 2028-29. Meanwhile the foundation is laid means engineers and pilots and other things are already in preparations

 

[ARMalik]

What surprised me was alot of PDF experts were claiming J31 and J35s are completely different planes, and J35 will take a long time to get ready for induction and here we are 2025 and its ready. We had 2 main groups on PDF, ones claiming J35/J31 will come by December 2026 or before, another group claiming J35 has a few prototypes and will not be ready for December 2026, never mind paf inducting it, this same group claim paf will get it after 2030s, around 2032, my own estimate was 2032, because we don't need J35 and J10s and Jf17 are enough. Now some people are bringing the deadline back to 2028 lol, that is still so early and those who claim December 2026 are more closer to it since J35 is here and ready to rumble.

Yea there a couple of self-appointed expert Chinese members, like Michael for example, constantly claiming that J31/J35s were different planes. Even when makers of these planes decided that it was too confusing and decided to name this plane as J-35 basically saying that there was NO Difference between these two, these Chinese members shamelessly still claimed that these were different planes.

Now as far as the delivey of these planes is concerned, I think there is no need to speculate. Lets wait for the next weeks and months, and this will become much clear.

 

[Deino]

… Now some people are bringing the deadline back to 2028 lol, that is still so early and those who claim December 2026 are more closer to it since J35 is here and ready to rumble.

Simply since a few members are indeed following this project based on facts and not on hope … as it seems like you! First since there is so far NO J-31 - maybe there wasn‘t even one real one - and second, if I see it correctly the Pakistani defence minister just a few days ago confirmed, that there won‘t be a J-35 anytime soon, so why do some her still claim against official statements that the „J35 is here and ready to rumble“??

Yea there a couple of self-appointed expert Chinese members, like Michael for example, constantly claiming that J31/J35s were different planes. Even when makers of these planes decided that it was too confusing and decided to name this plane as J-35 basically saying that there was NO Difference between these two, these Chinese members shamelessly still claimed that these were different planes.

Now as far as the delivey of these planes is concerned, I think there is no need to speculate. Lets wait for the next weeks and months, and this will become much clear.

Well, since those in your opinion „self-appointed“ members are not interested in bragging, nationalistic overhyping but just report the facts! They read original Chinese sources, they post the stuff it is based on the year-long experience & understanding of the Chinese military and aviation scene and even if you, who against the official statements that by the Pakistani defence minister still hope and claim „Lets wait for the next weeks and months, and this will become much clear“!


In a few weeks and months NOTHING will be different: There is still no J-31 simply since that type does not exist in reality and even more so since it won‘t come this year!

I really admire your faith and enthusiastic attempts to find any explanation why a J-35 maybe won‘t come, but surely a J-31 will be delivered and all experts and credible members including those capable to read original source are wrong, but some fan-boys with chest-bumping claims are correct!

It‘s exactly the same situation like some years ago when „self-appointed“ we’re arguing against claims, Pakistan already operates this and that … „brother, Lets wait for the next weeks and months, and this will become much clear“ and you will see J-16, J-20 or ex-RAF Typhoons, „pilots are already secretly flying them“! It‘s like a menstruation… again the same fuss but NOTHING behind.