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[Toxic]

Yep, but it's often those same countries that know solid fuel, metallurgy, and stuff like that really well. We can trade our product know-how (with real test info, validation, qualifications, etc) for their upstream know-how. They get the munition and we get the underlying industrial base to at least support our needs.

It annoys me that babus aren't pushing the Saudis to buy these systems especially the Fatah 2 which currently has no analogus western system for the Saudis, we always sell ourselves too short.

 

[Ibbi32]

Lmao the amount of fantasy in this scenario is insane. You’re talking like PN was about to steamroll an undefended coastline instead of facing a carrier group sitting behind one of the densest naval AD umbrellas in the region. A single Indian carrier group alone carries more credible LR naval air defence than most of PN combined. Massive MR-SAM inventory, layered sensors, supersonic ASHM coverage out to 500-800 km, MiG-29Ks with 800 km combat radius carrying 250+ km anti-ship missiles and that’s before land based IAF support even enters the equation.

Meanwhile your counter is what exactly? A handful of J-10Cs carrying single shot missiles while abandoning frontline air duties?

Ships with patchy AD coverage, limited VLS depth and fleets where half the vessels are carrying point-defence level SAMs. 4 ships with 40 km coverage, 4 with 15 km, rest basically praying nobody notices them.

You guys keep throwing around CM-400AKG and J-10C like it’s some anime superweapon. Even if 20 J-10Cs somehow abandon the main air front and launch one missile each, that’s still just 20 inbound weapons against layered naval air defence specifically designed for saturation engagements.

You guys really don't have an iota of idea how brutal naval warfare becomes once one side gains range dominance and layered AD superiority. Ships aren’t static bunkers. They move, network, jam, decoy, intercept and retaliate simultaneously.

And that “PN victory” fantasy always skips the ending where surviving ships have to deal with follow up strikes from carrier aviation, subs, western naval command assets, and land based IAF support.

Barak-8 already has a combat record against stuff like Iskander-class threats, Sea Eagle profiles and Fatah-type ballistic trajectories with near perfect interception history. Good luck saturating that with limited missile counts. Our primary MR-SAM has already built a reputation intercepting high speed and sea skimming type threats with ridiculous consistency. Trying to brute-force through that with limited missile inventory is the kind of plan that looks amazing on PDF and terrible in actual combat.

By the time AL anti ship missile gets close enough from 250+ km or a Rampage comes in from 150 km, most MiG-29Ks would’ve already launched, turned around and started recovery ops before your response cycle even stabilised.

Then comes the geography problem. And no, you’re not magically keeping 20 J-10Cs on endless naval strike patrols while simultaneously holding the IAF front. JF-17s don’t even have the legs for deep maritime strike against fleets sitting 500-600 km away unless they’re operating at the edge of sanity. Then comes the support layer western based IAF assets that weren’t even tied down in this scenario.

And the funniest part? This entire discussion usually ignores the fact that WNC + land based IAF support from western sector airbases would still exist. The carrier group wouldn’t even be fighting alone.

Is the Indian Navy invincible? Obviously not. But the idea that PN could pull off a successful strike and still retain a functioning surface fleet afterwards is pure fantasy. Most of the fleet would’ve turned into artificial reefs before the dust settled.

Keep coping bro. PN surface fleet will inevitably die in any full scale war but were gonna bring down atleast half the IN with us

 

[Watandar]

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[Areesh]

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