PTI News, Updates and Discussion

[Oscar]

Don't you think it's extremely far-fetched? I mean someone superinterpreting the order that could have killed a popular leader in Pakistan? Unbelievable.

You would be surprised. Do you know the top leadership in West Pakistan when apprised of Operation Searchlight's actual interpretation were a little aghast at how heavy handed local battalion commanders had been? Many of the top military and civilian leadership gave forbearing to Yahya on how bad the result would be - that he didn't care is another situation

Heck, if you want another example - RK Yadav, in his memoir, admits running freelance arms smuggling and propaganda networks in Pakistan and Bangladesh without Delhi clearance, including funding Sikh militants in Lahore to stoke unrest. When he was finally caught by ISI it dismantled years of actual efforts RAW made to create channels.

So to dismiss the idea that somehow junior officers or others in the establishment or even PML(N) and others cannot run their own show or be influenced to run their own ideals is a little "doesn't suit my narrative".
I'll repeat - never assume malice when plain incompetence will suffice.
You assume Pakistani military to be some perfectly tight omnipresence organization while in reality you have very powerful core commanders and in turn many empowered area and base commanders. Heck, you can have heads of CMHs running their entire side hustles and "commissions" while they are in their garden's in their undies getting massages from Batmen.

 

[Oscar]

You think recent temperaments could lead to Imran Khan being sentenced to death, the cases are already built, like May 9th case, planning military coups, supporting TTP, not allowing military operations, the NCM etc.

He should have left Pakistan, if millions are not coming on the streets and his own freedom is under threat then why not, could have said they forced me lol.

No, because regardless of consolidation of power - FM needs a bit more time to remove all opposition in his path and that for now is still fairly strong within the military. Eventually he can and likely will.

 

[HAIDER]

Yaar aisa na bolain.. even I am not convinced of his choice, but aurat zaat hai, siasat main bhi abhi tak nahi dikhi... chup chaap jail kaat rahi hai... uss ke period poori duniya main discuss huay jis ki shayad hi koi tasweer available ho..

I think hamain itna nahi girna chahiey.. Jo cheezain saamnay hain unn pe baat karni chahiey.. Allah knows best..

Agree, that is the issue, whoever his wife as long as she is not active in politics and criticize anyone, deserve respect.
Even police in UK protect the rights of pros and give respect. And we are Islamic republic .... LOLLLLL

 

[PakSword]

You would be surprised. Do you know the top leadership in West Pakistan when apprised of Operation Searchlight's actual interpretation were a little aghast at how heavy handed local battalion commanders had been? Many of the top military and civilian leadership gave forbearing to Yahya on how bad the result would be - that he didn't care is another situation

Heck, if you want another example - RK Yadav, in his memoir, admits running freelance arms smuggling and propaganda networks in Pakistan and Bangladesh without Delhi clearance, including funding Sikh militants in Lahore to stoke unrest. When he was finally caught by ISI it dismantled years of actual efforts RAW made to create channels.

So to dismiss the idea that somehow junior officers or others in the establishment or even PML(N) and others cannot run their own show or be influenced to run their own ideals is a little "doesn't suit my narrative".
I'll repeat - never assume malice when plain incompetence will suffice.

That's ok.. still this could have been handled differently.. A FIR would have lowered the temperature.. If PMLN was behind that shooting, an independent investigation would have revealed and kis ka naam ooncha hota? Hamari establishment ka..

If it was done by a few officers on their own, even then kis ki izzat barhti? Top leadership ki..

Investigate na karna is not acceptable.. we ourselves allowed all the assumptions, sorry to say.

 

[PakSword]

Agree, that is the issue, whoever his wife as long as she is not active in politics and criticize anyone, deserve respect.
Even police in UK protect the rights of pros and give respect. And we are Islamic republic .... LOLLLLL

Agree with your comment except that Pakistan is an Islamic republic.

 

[PakSword]

No, because regardless of consolidation of power - FM needs a bit more time to remove all opposition in his path and that for now is still fairly strong within the military. Eventually he can and likely will.

I also think FM Asim Munir will prevail. But the opposition (if there really is) is not very strong now..

 

[HAIDER]

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[Pradotlc]

I have mentioned this in my previous post, if the Pakistan military/security apparatus is such a cancer for the nation; it is very easy for 240 million Pakistanis to overthrow 2 million security apparatus people. It is time you move past the Indian talking man, and see the military is not the bogeyman you think it is. It has done wrong yes, but there are many complicit parties.

Looks like you know nothing …

 

[Pradotlc]

35 pages of crying lmao saying the same things for the nth time but not protesting or fighting for it

It is bigger than Khan

What retards don’t understand the very junta they are supporting tomorrow if there is ever a legal dispute, commercial contract violation, road rage etc ie incident of rights violation with a member of the armed forces or with the criminal ruling elite … you will have zero recourse to justice..

 

[Respect4Respect]

I think hamain itna nahi girna chahiey.. Jo cheezain saamnay hain unn pe baat karni chahiey.. Allah knows best..

If Imran Khan was really that easy to honey trap, the DG ISPR wouldn’t have gone on TV looking ridiculous. They would have blackmailed him like Azam Swati or some judges, or leaked videos like with Asad Umar’s brother and Pervaiz Rasheed. Instead they tried assassination and the iddat case which shows they had nothing. Give him some credit man, even Jeffrey Epstein hated him lol.

 

[PakAl]

That's ok.. still this could have been handled differently.. A FIR would have lowered the temperature.. If PMLN was behind that shooting, an independent investigation would have revealed and kis ka naam ooncha hota? Hamari establishment ka..

If it was done by a few officers on their own, even then kis ki izzat barhti? Top leadership ki..

Investigate na karna is not acceptable.. we ourselves allowed all the assumptions, sorry to say.

Look at Lahore Model Town massacre, everything was done on live TV, Gullu Ullu butt destroying properties jointly with the police, the Punjab government later on claimed Dr tahir ul qadri followers were holding arms in the building but it was all lies, they backtracked, after killing 14 innocent no FIR was done for a long time until as I recall Gen Raheel Sharif helped them to write FIR, till today noone prosecuted. Although Gullu Butt got smashed outside the court lol. So this is normal in Pakistan unfortunately. The powerful people always get away with it. The civilian mafia led politicians are very powerful with big connections aswell, they control judges and beuracrats, they know how to play games. The top army guys retire but civilians stay till grave time.

Yes i agree rule of law is needed. A society with no justice will lead to disaster, corruption and bribery culture is another big issue, almost everyone sells out.

 

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[PakAl]

I think he will be hanged.. yes.

But a more important question is that how will the respect be restored? I don't see light at the end of the tunnel.

This is why i get frustrated. Pti leadership should be aware, but instead we get statement from Adiala "Asim Munir is mental". Barrister Gohar is the sane one, hes trying to calm everyone down but so many different factions with different opinions, on top we have Khan. Its not good for the nation to hang ex PM. PTI leadership and followers should be intelligent, they should calm the situation down, get Khan to a safe place but instead people encouraging it from behind the twitter accounts.

Pakistan has become like Egypt, their military also removed Morsi, he died in jail, they killed protesters, over the decades the youth become older, get married and move on in life, today Egypt is calm and under military rule, no protests allowed. Bhutto was killed but after a few generation people forgot about it. Mujib was also killed in Bangladesh with all his family, both rivals finished off.

 

[MasterChief]

It is bigger than Khan

What retards don’t understand the very junta they are supporting tomorrow if there is ever a legal dispute, commercial contract violation, road rage etc ie incident of rights violation with a member of the armed forces or with the criminal ruling elite … you will have zero recourse to justice..

These faujeets are trigger happy to start new threads and polls but don't realize that anyone other than army officers are second class citizens in this country and will quickly become third class at the current rate of power grabbing mania.

A govt employee like a geologist or a doctor will work their arse off all their working life and then struggle in retirement despite a life well lived; these faujeets are never satisfied with what they have and akin to the camel kicking the master out of the tent.

We salute the armed forces for what they are asked to do as per constitution. They get paid like any govt employee.

 

[Oscar]

That's ok.. still this could have been handled differently.. A FIR would have lowered the temperature.. If PMLN was behind that shooting, an independent investigation would have revealed and kis ka naam ooncha hota? Hamari establishment ka..

If it was done by a few officers on their own, even then kis ki izzat barhti? Top leadership ki..

Investigate na karna is not acceptable.. we ourselves allowed all the assumptions, sorry to say.

But we're also stating "Plain incompetence" - You are assuming the most competent running the show when they themselves are extremely flawed, egoistic, insecure men who run a combination of knee jerk miscalculations to IK own miscalculation. So when @hnn says "comedy of errors" he is not wrong.

On a different context when we talk to "Why India did not devastate Paksitan" or why "Pakistan did not do xyz". Apply the same here. Saaray ke saaray tukke laga rahay hain , agar koi shatir khilari hai tu hai Zardari.