Rafale M Deal: India and France to Fast-Track Negotiations After Elections

[harpy1]

PN does not need to match in ship for ship. It just needs equipment and strategy to defend the coast and make any IN incursion too costly

This part you are wrong about

If India attacks krachi or gwader and will.attavk both it will come from carrier groups and the Indian air force

Quite simply a combined force of over 150 planes both navy and airforce drones helicopters and Mari time planes would overwhelm Pakistan

They don't have enough air assets to protect their airspace and coastline
Something has to give.

Staying on shore lane your are tracked easily and I fia. Can pick and choose it moments

A moving fleet is so much harder to detect and engage

Your sea lanes out side of 400km will be blocked

Rafales carry 600km range scalp cruise missiles they can cause serious damage to your small surface fleet

Yes eight new hangor if you get them.are massive threat but your economy is so bad I highly doubt this happening
I just heard your annual defense budget was some 7 billion dollars ..no offence that's getting you nothing

 

[Yasser76]

This part you are wrong about

If India attacks krachi or gwader and will.attavk both it will come from carrier groups and the Indian air force

Quite simply a combined force of over 150 planes both navy and airforce drones helicopters and Mari time planes would overwhelm Pakistan

They don't have enough air assets to protect their airspace and coastline
Something has to give.

Staying on shore lane your are tracked easily and I fia. Can pick and choose it moments

A moving fleet is so much harder to detect and engage

Your sea lanes out side of 400km will be blocked

Rafales carry 600km range scalp cruise missiles they can cause serious damage to your small surface fleet

Yes eight new hangor if you get them.are massive threat but your economy is so bad I highly doubt this happening
I just heard your annual defense budget was some 7 billion dollars ..no offence that's getting you nothing

How are IAF fighters going to track 11 off PN subs or find 100s of antiship missiles in secret locations?

First Hangor was literally launched last week, so I will go with facts rather then what you may "think" if that is OK.

 

[Guru Dutt]

How are IAF fighters going to track 11 off PN subs or find 100s of antiship missiles in secret locations?

First Hangor was literally launched last week, so I will go with facts rather then what you may "think" if that is OK.

how many sub hunters do youthink Indian navy has of avro , or P8I platform based then there are even stattelite based assets and those so called "fishhoocks" dont woryy sirji twadde swagat satkaar lai full feilding set karr rakhee hai appa

 

[Yasser76]

how many sub hunters do youthink Indian navy has of avro , or P8I platform based then there are even stattelite based assets and those so called "fishhoocks" dont woryy sirji twadde swagat satkaar lai full feilding set karr rakhee hai appa

Well aparently during Balakot IN had difficulty finding just one A90B.

11 AIP subs roaming around is no joke, even the IN does not have enough assets.

 

[harpy1]

Well aparently during Balakot IN had difficulty finding just one A90B.

11 AIP subs roaming around is no joke, even the IN does not have enough assets.

Let's worry about 11 subs when you have them
Right now you have seven billion budget just announced rapid rising inflation and tall dreams for modernisatiin

China good will or territory leasing in exchange for weapons will only get you so far

Your fiscal demise will bite next few years ...

And your in no shape to fight one of the biggest industrial nations on the planet
Regardless of china backing you

 

[Guru Dutt]

Well aparently during Balakot IN had difficulty finding just one A90B.

11 AIP subs roaming around is no joke, even the IN does not have enough assets.

well your nation was yet again sent running after a TRUCK KI BATTI that afew crows and trees were downed by indian fighters in balakot when your army cordonned off the entire area for more than 90 days and only after through cleaning so called selected jouranilists were taken there just like before 16-12-71 your nation was told pakistan was winning the war in the east but we all know the history dont we

this time it will take some time for real truth to come out dont worry

now as for your super duper AIP subs what do you think we have or what we dont have .... point is you might need 45+ days of under water endurence to come from arabian sea to bay of bengal but we dont as we have more than required assets on both sides to tackel your every move well before it has even started its just that ... khair janne do abhi ke liye itna kafee hai

 

[Yasser76]

Let's worry about 11 subs when you have them
Right now you have seven billion budget just announced rapid rising inflation and tall dreams for modernisatiin

China good will or territory leasing in exchange for weapons will only get you so far

Your fiscal demise will bite next few years ...

And your in no shape to fight one of the biggest industrial nations on the planet
Regardless of china backing you

Cool, lets worry about 26 Rafales when you have them in your navy

 

[Yasser76]

well your nation was yet again sent running after a TRUCK KI BATTI that afew crows and trees were downed by indian fighters in balakot when your army cordonned off the entire area for more than 90 days and only after through cleaning so called selected jouranilists were taken there just like before 16-12-71 your nation was told pakistan was winning the war in the east but we all know the history dont we

this time it will take some time for real truth to come out dont worry

now as for your super duper AIP subs what do you think we have or what we dont have .... point is you might need 45+ days of under water endurence to come from arabian sea to bay of bengal but we dont as we have more than required assets on both sides to tackel your every move well before it has even started its just that ... khair janne do abhi ke liye itna kafee hai

If you cannot accept history it is pointless arguing, stick to the subject, when you are lsoing an argument many Indians try to deflect.

As the days progressed, Indian Navy kept expanding its area of search for the Pakistani boat and satellites were also used to locate it, meanwhile, the force was almost certain that the Pakistanis may have kept it hidden somewhere else.​

Post Balakot strike, Indian Navy hunted for Pakistani submarine for 21 days

As the days progressed, Indian Navy kept expanding its area of search for the Pakistani boat and satellites were also used to locate it, meanwhile, the force was almost certain that the Pakistanis may have kept it hidden somewhere else.

www.indiatoday.in

 

[Guru Dutt]

Cool, lets worry about 26 Rafales when you have them in your navy

well you dont even have any answer to 40 MIG29Ks currently with IN or when 26 of them come on Vikrmaditya to attack pakistan if that ever hapenns cause Mig29K has a combat radius of 600Km and has multiple air to ground stand off weapons with range in access of 50 to 180Km so that means INS Vikrmaditya can be stationed more than 750Km away in deep sea fromyour cost and still its 26 Mig29Ks can wreck havock on your costline as it can still carry 6 tonnes of weapons and your thinking of rafale

ever wonderred what havok Jaguars and Mirage 2000 based in jamnagar and bhuj or jaiselmer or mumbai will do to pakistani costaline and your so called beloved AIP subs i am not even talking about Mig29s and Su30 MKis and rafales of IAF

 

[Yasser76]

well you dont even have any answer to 40 MIG29Ks currently with IN or when 26 of them come on Vikrmaditya to attack pakistan if that ever hapenns cause Mig29K has a combat radius of 600Km and has multiple air to ground stand off weapons with range in access of 50 to 180Km so that means INS Vikrmaditya can be stationed more than 750Km away in deep sea fromyour cost and still its 26 Mig29Ks can wreck havock on your costline as it can still carry 6 tonnes of weapons and your thinking of rafale

ever wonderred what havok Jaguars and Mirage 2000 based in jamnagar and bhuj or jaiselmer or mumbai will do to pakistani costaline and your so called beloved AIP subs i am not even talking about Mig29s and Su30 MKis and rafales of IAF

MIG-29K is obsolete now,

 

[Guru Dutt]

MIG-29K is obsolete now,

well your 40-50year old Mirage III Mirage IV mirage V , F7s and 40 year of F16s are not obsolete but 15 year old Mig29Ks are obsolete when your supa dupa JF17 BLK II & III use same engines a Mig29Ks
.... sahi hai

 

[Yasser76]

well your 40-50year old Mirage III Mirage IV mirage V , F7s and 40 year of F16s are not obsolete but 15 year old Mig29Ks are obsolete .... sahi hai

the majority of fleet you will be facing will be armed with AMRAAMS, PL-10, PL-12 and PL-15.
Many with AESA.

MIG-29K range, avionics and missiles simply will not compete, that is why IN is desperte for Rafales

 

[DDG-80]

11 AIP subs roaming around is no joke, even the IN does not have enough assets.

India 's Deep Sea AI Game-Nightmare for India's Enemies

a network with acoustic sensors to listen for submarines is a military network. it is hard to argue otherwise Ah, so. And that to be laid as deep as the lines show? You have to admit that is a very ambitious thought.

defencepk.com

 

[DDG-80]

the majority of fleet you will be facing will be armed with AMRAAMS, PL-10, PL-12 and PL-15.
Many with AESA.

MIG-29K range, avionics and missiles simply will not compete, that is why IN is desperte for Rafales

JF-17 production has stopped since 2022. They haven't had new jets produced; 170 is the number going on since 2020. The last news of the JF-17, apart from crashes and taking part in airshows, etc., was in 2023 for its induction (Block 3). Pakistan ordered the J-10C and is waiting for the FC-31. Only 12 Block-3s have been made so far. Azerbaijan has not ordered those 24 jets. The initial order was of 30 by PAF. Not even a single Block 2A or Block 2B has been made after 2022. I doubt they can make 24 jets per year. Pakistan hailed the JF-17 as a permanent solution but ordered the J-10. The last JF-17 Block 2A delivered was in 2019, and Block 2B in 2020. 12 JF-17 Block 3s were produced from 2022 to early 2023, indicating a production gap. JF-17 Block 1 has limited capabilities in all domains; Block 2B is mostly a trainer, so 100 proper fighter aircraft are in service. Pakistan has 20 J-10Cs and 75 F-16s; all Mirages are from the 1960s and 1970s. Pakistan has not more than 200 proper fighter jets in service. Out of 75 F-16s, only 57 are BVR capable, while JF-17s are not truly multirole aircraft. Only 30-40 Mirage 3 and 5s can carry standoff munitions but will require heavy escort like they did in 2019 with two squadrons worth of escort for a single target that they missed. The PAF is still a sitting duck. EW aircraft in Pakistan are used as VIP transport for the Pakistani air chief. Block 2 and older F-16s would be at the mercy of jammers.

 

[harpy1]

Scorpene vs. Agosta 90B - A General Analysis

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Here Yasser

Your agostas v scorpene and you have three with aip we have six and they far superior in stealth depth weapons capability

Aip only increasing your submerge hiding time actually fighting and stealth the agosta is dated to scorpene