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j_hungary · Aug 25, 2024

KingQamaR said:
This western “minded” shows a really deep lack of understanding of Russia, of China and of the relations between them.

First you look at both from a Western point of view and see what you want to see.

When you see China challenging Russia in Central Asia you see what a westerner wants to see. What Russia see is that the influence of China helps to keep away US, UK and western powers.

Do you see the difference?

When you see that China gets raw materials from Russia and benefits from them, do you want to know what Russia see?

That their raw materials are benefiting a nation that respect them, that does not interfere in their internal affairs and that it shares its enemies. So Russia is really happy to sell their raw materials to China.

And it's also happy to buy consumer stuff from China, since the Russian industry has been always focused in military and hard industry stuff they lack production of stuff like coffe machines and so on.

They are totally happy to be able to buy a coffee machine from China and not from the West.

From the Chinese perspective, also is great to receive petrol, gas and raw materials from Russia, avoiding a possible blockade in the Malacca straits. As well as a possible future usage of a Russian dominate North route using the Russian ice breakers in the artic.

You can lie to yourself as much as you want, but Russia and China are closed friends and allies than any western alliance apart of the Anglos-Saxon of 5 groupie.

They are indeed, allies, not vassals. As the European states are of the US.

And they totally share enemies and .common interest, something that is not true even within the European Union. Where the interest totally change from east to west and north to south

Dude, it's really racist to say this, I mean, what is "Western" point of view?

Do you know any Chinese history, if at all? Do you know how vassal/tribune system work in all those Chinese Dynasty?

Look at the relationship between Russia and China, it's not much different than US and UK during WW2. UK don't want to get invaded by the German and ask for the American help, in return of all the material and financial support, the UK have to cede a lot of concession to the US (including the use of British Overseas Territories to the US, access to the commonwealth and so on)

And somehow you think Russia is not a vassal to the Chinese, but the UK was vis-a-vis the US??

Dude, I really don't want to write a 20 pages essay on Dynastic-Tribute system during the 5000 years of ancient Chinese history...........

And you are naive to think Chinese and Russian interest don't change, it changed once actually twice during the 60s and 90s. Why do you think it won't change at all?

And finally, saying to a person of ethnics Chinese and has been living and working and studying in China for the first 20 years of his live know nothing about China is just funny......

Yommie · Aug 25, 2024

j_hungary said:
Dude, it's really racist to say this, I mean, what is "Western" point of view?

Do you know any Chinese history, if at all? Do you know how vassal/tribune system work in all those Chinese Dynasty?

Look at the relationship between Russia and China, it's not much different than US and UK during WW2. UK don't want to get invaded by the German and ask for the American help, in return of all the material and financial support, the UK have to cede a lot of concession to the US (including the use of British Overseas Territories to the US, access to the commonwealth and so on)

And somehow you think Russia is not a vassal to the Chinese, but the UK was vis-a-vis the US??

Dude, I really don't want to write a 20 pages essay on Dynastic-Tribute system during the 5000 years of ancient Chinese history...........

And you are naive to think Chinese and Russian interest don't change, it changed once actually twice during the 60s and 90s. Why do you think it won't change at all?

And finally, saying to a person of ethnics Chinese and has been living and working and studying in China for the first 20 years of his live know nothing about China is just funny......