The Munir Doctrine

[Signalian]

Fittay mun.
So, since then we couldn't achieve anything. What it is? 50+ years?

Civvies need to do their part. Military will do what it wants and seems necessary to get done.

 

[Goenitz]

Civvies need to do their part. Military will do what it wants and seems necessary to get done.

India first time crossed the surplus mark of domestic yield, in 70s. A feat for such a big country. Indra now had more IQ and management than our civil + military combined. and that after we lost half of our pop!

I am sure you know besides occasional tomatoes and onions, we regularly import lentils from India (via Dubai)

All losses are due to civilian mismanagement.? be it 71, or this green revolution? or railway or PIA or etc. There is something fundamentally wrong with your calculation/assumption.

 

[Signalian]

India first time crossed the surplus mark of domestic yield, in 70s. A feat for such a big country. Indra now had more IQ and management than our civil + military combined. and that after we lost half of our pop!

I am sure you know besides occasional tomatoes and onions, we regularly import lentils from India (via Dubai)

All losses are due to civilian mismanagement.? be it 71, or this green revolution? or railway or PIA or etc. There is something fundamentally wrong with your calculation/assumption.

Get out of the blame game rut, seriously its getting boring. And India is way ahead of Pakistan in many domain.

Address this part ," Civvies need to do their part". and don't go into politics domain as there are dozens other domains which need progression.

 

[nahtanbob]

It’s not a monopoly - its an Oligopoly.

There are incumbent business families that want control over any business that falls in their industry. There is the military inc. that vies for control over these major industries as well which leaves your SMBs either working on trade or smaller niches. In ALL of this are criminal enterprises linked with Major political parties especially in Industrial hubs like Karachi which require both protection funds and also profit sharing directly to the party members in lieu.

That doesn’t mean there isn’t space to create business in Pakistan but there is a limit to where you can grow until the sharks notice you and while this is true for MANY major markets elsewhere, there are laws able to protect businesses which in Pakistan are worth no more than the ink they occupy on some government record,

The only outlier is the gig economy that has propped up which is infuriating to many of these people because they want a chunk of it too but the nature of payments and transactions means they are currently not able to dip in. As the software industry grows, it is immediately hit by the criminal enterprise and then it either had the option to move to a Middle Eastern country for better infrastructure and security or it colludes with some security player for protection in lieu of profit sharing.

Let me give you an example - A new rice farm and factor was set up a few years ago in Sindh - a lot of investment was poured in - good leader but as the construction began they were immediately given the threats from competitors and associated politicos including former el presidente. However, after advice from relatives it was decided to get security by first opening a Petrol station close to the factory and basically giving it to the “agency” and in return the safety of the factory is guaranteed.. including connections provided that allowed hiring of former military men for security.

So while it is an expensive investment, it guarantees security along with the added fun of being given a full military salute(foot stomping and all) whenever one visits the factory with the owner.

if things are as bad as you described life is going to be tough. it points to the lack of ethics and morality in society. it is something to think about

I am surprised your military does not break the oligopoly of private business elite or restrict these private criminal enterprises

 

[FuturePAF]

Civvies need to do their part. Military will do what it wants and seems necessary to get done.

Part of this doctrine is agricultural modernization, but when modern (foreign) seeds were being sought to increase yields beyond local varieties, it was culled. How can civvies do their part in this environment?

This is why we need real democracy, where the government is empowered to carry out what it sees as is best for the country, obviously in with the scientific method, with the rigor of KPIs.

Now the fear maybe cutting out existing enterprises, the. Why not do what China has done; Joint ventures. Leapfrogging legacy technology and adopting the most modern tech to increasing yield of wheat, for example, 3-4 fold in a short period of time. Eventually the local companies learn how to compete, and can even find a way to gain back market share and even be export competitive. Why close the market to make millions locally when there are billions to be earned internationally.

This will also take care of the desire for imported products, as nearly same products will be made in Pakistan with ToT of the most modern equipment, and help bring down the cost of the product, or at least allow the local company/partner to make a larger profit margin.

1:33:00-1:35:40

@nathanbob
You wanted a specific industry and example, well we can start with seeds.

 

[Oscar]

if things are as bad as you described life is going to be tough. it points to the lack of ethics and morality in society. it is something to think about

I am surprised your military does not break the oligopoly of private business elite or restrict these private criminal enterprises

Ill just say the military comes from the same society and gene pool. While a LOT of improvement happens on the ethics and morality side - there is still the impact of where you came from and who you are as a person which slips through for a small but impactful number of individuals.

Its a case of society that is essentially suffering an issue of overall ethics and morality that impacts every individual regardless of their profession. Politicians only focus on elections and then fat contracts to their relatives, A doctor will leave a patient dying for lack of payment - banker will cause headaches on files, driver licenses can no longer be had smoothly in some places without bribery and some officers in military procurement will embezzle millions.

Unfortunately, the military is going to now get more and more focus due to the political crisis and that they are the only ones with the biggest gun of everyone.

To quote the late Arshider cowasjee “Sab saala chor hai siwaye Quaid e Azam ke”

 

[Cryptonian]

Civvies need to do their part. Military will do what it wants and seems necessary to get done.

Your rich zamindar Vadera civvies don't use their excess money to modernize the Pakistani farming,

most probably they spend it in buying properties in army's housing societies.

 

[FuturePAF]

Your rich zamindar Vadera civvies don't use their excess money to modernize the Pakistani farming,

most probably they spend it in buying properties in army's housing societies.

They are looking for ROI. The incentives need to be in modernizing their farms over speculating and sinking their capital in the real estate market. Disincentives for the real estate market such as a property tax, especially higher property tax on vacant properties can really make someone think twice about “resting their money” in the property market, while incentives such as tax breaks for modernizing their farms can go a long way to create the right push and pull forces for change.

 

[Signalian]

King confers Order of Bahrain First Class on COAS

RAWALPINDI: King of Bahrain Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa has conferred Military Medal Order of Bahrain First Class on Chief of the Army Staff General Syed Asim Munir in recognition of his significant...

www.thenews.com.pk

 

[Signalian]

Part of this doctrine is agricultural modernization, but when modern (foreign) seeds were being sought to increase yields beyond local varieties, it was culled. How can civvies do their part in this environment?

This is why we need real democracy, where the government is empowered to carry out what it sees as is best for the country, obviously in with the scientific method, with the rigor of KPIs.

Now the fear maybe cutting out existing enterprises, the. Why not do what China has done; Joint ventures. Leapfrogging legacy technology and adopting the most modern tech to increasing yield of wheat, for example, 3-4 fold in a short period of time. Eventually the local companies learn how to compete, and can even find a way to gain back market share and even be export competitive. Why close the market to make millions locally when there are billions to be earned internationally.

This will also take care of the desire for imported products, as nearly same products will be made in Pakistan with ToT of the most modern equipment, and help bring down the cost of the product, or at least allow the local company/partner to make a larger profit margin.

1:33:00-1:35:40

@nathanbob
You wanted a specific industry and example, well we can start with seeds.

Politics won’t help. Research and development will definitely help. Entrepreneurial mindset too.

 

[Signalian]

Your rich zamindar Vadera civvies don't use their excess money to modernize the Pakistani farming,

most probably they spend it in buying properties in army's housing societies.

What are not rich Pakistanis doing who are majority. Military didn’t stop universities from conducting R&D.

 

[Signalian]

They are looking for ROI. The incentives need to be in modernizing their farms over speculating and sinking their capital in the real estate market. Disincentives for the real estate market such as a property tax, especially higher property tax on vacant properties can really make someone think twice about “resting their money” in the property market, while incentives such as tax breaks for modernizing their farms can go a long way to create the right push and pull forces for change.

Military has entered Agriculture. Think of other domains.

 

[FuturePAF]

Politics won’t help. Research and development will definitely help. Entrepreneurial mindset too.

How can a civilian launch an entrepreneurial enterprise in the face of such headwinds.please address this seed specific situation, because if there is no method to bring in the best modern tech, on a commercial/profit driven basis, how will the investment come in?

 

[Signalian]

How can a civilian launch an entrepreneurial enterprise in the face of such headwinds.please address this seed specific situation, because if there is no method to bring in the best modern tech, on a commercial/profit driven basis, how will the investment come in?

Have you tried ?

 

[Signalian]

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Your rich zamindar Vadera civvies don't use their excess money to modernize the Pakistani farming,

most probably they spend it in buying properties in army's housing societies.

Sitting idle and pointing fingers is a national disease.