WHAT compels a mob to burn someone to death?

[Thinking]

Hindus are hated across south Asia, even other Muslims are waking up to Hindus now

Does that include Nepal, Bhutan, Myanmar, Srilanka etc...Oh you meant, by muslims.

 

[JaneBhiDoYaaron]

Zero ability to think on their own. I remember my dad used to say any /babas/gurus/sects/religion/organization does not allow you to explore and critique run away from those organizations. Controlling thoughts are best ways to make zombies.

 

[hussain0216]

Does that include Nepal, Bhutan, Myanmar, Srilanka etc...Oh you meant, by muslims.

To be fair even they are vary

 

[nahtanbob]

Punjab is heavily conservative and islamist. What is news here?

It is more liberal than KP and Balochistan - this is a perpective of an outsider

 

[Developereo]

Ye kya bukvaas hae? I don’t believe any of this.

Waz iss topic nu foran delete kar deen …..this is nonsense propaganda.

Israheeli badmash itthay doing a good job no?

No, it is a real problem that we need to address for our own good.

But we also need to be mindful when someone else is exploiting the topic for their agenda. We can be sure that a fanatical Zionist doesn't give a damn about Christians, Hindus or Muslims being killed for blasphemy in Pakistan.

 

[Sainthood 2.0]

No, it is a real problem that we need to address for our own good.

But we also need to be mindful when someone else is exploiting the topic for their agenda. We can be sure that a fanatical Zionist doesn't give a damn about Christians, Hindus or Muslims being killed for blasphemy in Pakistan.

All of our enemies or even neutral countries just think of it as
Subhumans killing subhumans for some ooga booga BS

And they're right at least the one's doing the killings are definitely subhumans

 

[Pradotlc]

yup.. and then the genius generals who did nothing to improve the situation

 

[Starlord]

I think the OP has achieved his goal, he gaslighted everyone and left lol take every Blasphemy case for last 20 years in Pakistan, and then compare that to the " Only Democrazy " in Middle East, and results will not surprise you, but a Israeli is giving lectures to other about religious intolerance and mob killings is like Mia Khalifa giving TedTalk about modesty.

 

[شَاھِین شَاہِ لَولَاک]

Drivers of extremism​

Umair Javed Published June 24, 2024 Updated about 15 hours ago

The writer teaches sociology at Lums
https://whatsapp.com/channel/0029VaMc238IiRov8okfYy3n
WHAT compels a mob to burn someone to death? What explains such amplified levels of anger that an accusation against some person from a marginalised group leads to a lynching?

What reasoning dictates why groups of people — including state functionaries — engage in the violent policing of a minority group, arresting its members and taking away their sacrificial animals from the private confines of their homes?

All three incidents took place recently. Last week, a man was burnt to death in Swat over the alleged desecration of a holy text. In May, a 72-year-old Christian man was lynched in Sargodha on a blasphemy-related accusation. And during Eid, several Ahmadis across Punjab — the number reportedly as high as 36 — were detained by the police on accusations of practising ‘Muslim rituals’ levelled by Barelvi extremist activists.

Much ink has been spilled trying to understand religious extremism and its outcomes, both in Pakistan and abroad. Existing research points out two sets of factors here — the societal organisation and drivers of extremism; and the role of the state.

On societal organisation, it is well documented that such indoctrination is carried out by clerics, not just through in-person contact in sermons and in madressahs, but also through highly localised WhatsApp and Facebook groups, as well as content on TikTok. They do it because they believe in it and because it sustains their social status within communities. People pay them respect, provide them with gifts, turn to them for advice and for dispute resolution.

Their words and actions help develop followers of various types. Their closest adherents are socialised into believing that certain events are an affront to religion. Such events require a coercive response. That the response must be immediate. And that it will help further some vague faith-inspired objective, protect the purity of religion, or help restore the natural order of society.

Beyond the immediate actions of violent activists, there is a wider segment of people in every community who think the objectives of these zealots are worthy. Perhaps they have not yet been socialised to such a great degree that they take matters into their own hands. However, they frequently appreciate those who do. These people are the ones who will stand on the side while someone is burnt, lynched, or attacked. Their passive support helps sustain this enterprise of violence.

Broadly speaking, this is the organisation of violent religious extremism at the community level. Every case of violence will reveal actors of these three types — the ideologue, the activist, and the passive supporter.

Let’s assume that ideologues exist everywhere. Extremist preachers who try to outdo each other by being more extreme are a reality in every society. It is less useful trying to understand why they exist. As long as beliefs and ideologies exist, violent interpretations will likely persist.

But what explains the level of support for their messaging? Here, research often turns to existing social and economic conditions. One popular interpretation is that poverty, material distress, and other forms of economic anxiety push people towards extremism.
In Pakistan, religious extremism seems to have an implicit class character. TLP’s street cadres, for example, are overwhelmingly young men from working-class backgrounds, many of whom are un/underemployed. It is likely that associating with a movement adds purpose to a listless existence. Sometimes it goes as far as to become a source of power, prestige, and status mobility in a supremely unequal society.

Class politics, however, is not just a preserve of the poor. Relatively better-off traders, merchants, contractors etc also offer support (financial and otherwise) for fundamentalist ideology. In my conversations with bazaar traders in Lahore, I found that these groups are motivated for both self-serving objectives — to gain local respect and status — as well as a way to push back against what they think is the hedonistic agenda of Westernised upper classes. There is thus a different type of class-based politics also at play here, one that pits un-Islamic elites against pious middling sorts.

The second set of factors concerns the role of the Pakistani state in creating fertile conditions for extremism. National identity and the concept of state authority are tied to Islam, which gives plenty of space to non-state actors to weigh in on how it should be interpreted.
School and even higher education curriculum content is devoted to the creation of ideal (Sunni) Muslim citizens, which casts minority sects and non-Muslims as deviants. Laws have been put in place that police religious practice and create punitive conditions for heterodoxy, which perpetuates vigilantism.

And governance failures and the expedient use of religious actors for political ends — such as geostrategic goals in neighbouring countries or taking down a popular government domestically — ensure that law and order responses to religious violence are either belated or entirely inadequate.

Combining both sets of factors — societal and state-specific — the future does not look optimistic:

On the societal front, there are no mass movements that can challenge religious extremism. Mainstream parties are either complicit or too risk-averse to take this issue on, especially when they are in government. Preachers who attempt more pacifist interpretations find themselves irrelevant or at risk of violence. Economic conditions are worsening, leaving more young people stuck in social stagnation and precarity.

As far as the state is concerned, it has not demonstrated any serious intent at reforming its protocols around religious extremism. Police responses are often belated, and biased against minority groups. Prosecution is largely absent. There is not even a modicum of intention to revisit laws that catalyse violent acts. And extremist groups remain valuable as a strategic asset, especially when needed to stifle democratic processes and teach some non-conforming party a lesson.

The writer teaches sociology at Lums.

what compells the so called chosen ones to kill goyems and gentiles???????

 

[Oscar]

I understand the anti-zionist perspective because of the OP but Im not entirely sure it has ANY relationship nor does it dilute the message of the article.

Pakistan is a hotbed of extremism - this is due to a variety of factors but most importantly due to no true purpose available. Decades of blending religion with culture has led to no true pathway available to disconnect the two.

The state and leadership are averse to tackling extremism because of the religious angle because of their own inability to provide an alternative narrative.

The only way to combat extremism is economic growth and opportunity - which is currently all but gone for a long time. So any hope to improve the situation is not forthcoming.

 

[Oscar]

I think the OP has achieved his goal, he gaslighted everyone and left lol take every Blasphemy case for last 20 years in Pakistan, and then compare that to the " Only Democrazy " in Middle East, and results will not surprise you, but a Israeli is giving lectures to other about religious intolerance and mob killings is like Mia Khalifa giving TedTalk about modesty.

Yet - the article is NOT WRITTEN BY THE OP.
So what technically he has proven - is the jist of the article.

Immediate extremist response attacking the OP without the context and then online “mob justice” in anti Israel aspects completely ignoring the truth in the article w.r.t Pakistan which was written by a Pakistani and published in a Pakistani paper.

 

[Musings]

Yet - the article is NOT WRITTEN BY THE OP.
So what technically he has proven - is the jist of the article.

Immediate extremist response attacking the OP without the context and then online “mob justice” in anti Israel aspects completely ignoring the truth in the article w.r.t Pakistan which was written by a Pakistani and published in a Pakistani paper.

There are 2 issues.
The intent of the OP and what is desire and motive is. We both are articulate enough to decipher what he is trying to achieve.
The other is the acceptance of Pakistani hearts not realising that depriving hope of economic strife and success by successive governments have left a void. That void allows Joe average to look for a boogeyman to satisfy his own inadequacies and that’s the minorities.
Desperately sad but true IMO

 

[Persian Gulf]

‘Ali is on the grill!’ Israeli settlers celebrate burning of Palestinian baby​

There's noting more disturbing than celebrating the burning alive of a baby. This is precisely what Israeli Jewish settlers were doing yesterday, taunting a survivor of the Dawabshe family arson attack in 2015. "Ali is on the grill!" they shouted, in reference to the 18-month Palestinian baby killed in the attack.

This is precisely what Israeli Jewish settlers were doing yesterday, outside the court in Lod. “Ali was burned, where is Ali? Ali is on the grill!”, they chanted, in reference to the 18-month old baby Ali Dawbsheh, who was burnt alive by Jewish terrorists in the West Bank town of Duma in 2015. Ali’s mother Riham and father Saad died of their wounds a few weeks later. Of the family of four, only 5-year-old Ahmad survived the arson with severe burns.

The terror supporters also referred to the other family members: “Where is Ali? Where is Riham? Where is Saad? It’s too bad Ahmed didn’t burn as well.”

‘Ali is on the grill!’ Israeli settlers celebrate burning of Palestinian baby

There’s noting more disturbing than celebrating the burning alive of a baby. This is precisely what Israeli Jewish settlers were doing yesterday.

mondoweiss.net

you tell us

 

[Musings]

‘Ali is on the grill!’ Israeli settlers celebrate burning of Palestinian baby​

There's noting more disturbing than celebrating the burning alive of a baby. This is precisely what Israeli Jewish settlers were doing yesterday, taunting a survivor of the Dawabshe family arson attack in 2015. "Ali is on the grill!" they shouted, in reference to the 18-month Palestinian baby killed in the attack.

This is precisely what Israeli Jewish settlers were doing yesterday, outside the court in Lod. “Ali was burned, where is Ali? Ali is on the grill!”, they chanted, in reference to the 18-month old baby Ali Dawbsheh, who was burnt alive by Jewish terrorists in the West Bank town of Duma in 2015. Ali’s mother Riham and father Saad died of their wounds a few weeks later. Of the family of four, only 5-year-old Ahmad survived the arson with severe burns.

The terror supporters also referred to the other family members: “Where is Ali? Where is Riham? Where is Saad? It’s too bad Ahmed didn’t burn as well.”

‘Ali is on the grill!’ Israeli settlers celebrate burning of Palestinian baby

There’s noting more disturbing than celebrating the burning alive of a baby. This is precisely what Israeli Jewish settlers were doing yesterday.

mondoweiss.net

you tell us

@Solomon2
Please educate us. Read the post and share your expertise in this field.
You must educate us and explain.
I know it’s Friday tomorrow and you may struggle with your time but go on be a gent and share your wisdom.
Gut shabbos……… Btw

 

[Foinikas]

Is it true that a Pakistani mob killed a tourist for "blasphemy"? I saw an article somewhere today,but I didn't check it.