What the Indian Air Force ought to do if Narendra Modi had a Spine

[RescueRanger]

India should look to regional partners and develop indigenous capacity.

 

[Batman]

India should look to regional partners and develop indigenous capacity.

Indonesia, Malaysia, Myanmar, Thailand, Singapore, Vietnam, the Philippines and Sri Lanka are potential regional partners for India. India could develop fighter jets in cooperation with some of these countries. Some have already purchased BrahMos missiles, while others are in talks.

BrahMos can be utilised to its full potential when air-launched from platforms such as the Tejas Mk1/Mk2, the upcoming GHATAK UCAV, CATS loyal wingman drones and the Su-30MKI, or deployed from Indian submarines and warships. Malaysia already operates the Su-30MKM and is a potential customer for India's upgrade package.

The satellite-based navigation and guidance capabilities required by BrahMos also highlight the importance of India's NavIC navigation system. These countries can have their own satellites in space using Indian launch vehicles, but bringing the entire region under a common network would be far more effective and cost-efficient.

There are several other areas in which these countries can cooperate, including artillery and combat vehicles. However, missiles, aircraft, warships and submarines require an intensive level of data-link integration. Satellites are becoming increasingly important for network-centric warfare capabilities, supporting everything from missiles to fighter jets and drones.

 

[Michael]

Something huge is missing and they can't be considered bright if you have decades after decades...

In my view, all groups of people are essentially the same; there is no such thing as one group having a higher or lower level of intelligence than another. It simply depends on where you choose to direct your energy.

For any given population or nation, the direction in which its collective energy is focused is typically guided by its leadership.

If the primary energy of a group is channeled into social maneuvering, then naturally, few people will remain focused on getting actual work done. Consequently, the overall level of practical productivity will be very low—even though the volume of public discourse generated by such a group may be quite high.

In many countries, leaders favor using hollow, tedious, yet stirring slogans to rally the public. They employ religion—or modes of thought akin to religious logic—to galvanize the masses. People live their lives immersed in illusions, inhabiting a rich, elaborate inner world; yet, in reality, the situation is the exact opposite.

While this approach may prove highly effective in the short term, what about the long term? Its side effects only serve to further deepen a nation’s poverty and weakness.

Being overweight and being physically strong are not the same thing!

 

[MH.Yang]

If I were Modi, I would openly admit that the weaknesses of the Indian Air Force are structural and systemic. The Indian Air Force lags behind in terms of pilots, training, logistics, and warfare systems, and it is difficult to make up for the gap in the short term with military spending.

So I will adopt asymmetric combat tactics to avoid system confrontation. I will no longer engage in aerial combat with PAF, but will use the cost of purchasing fighter jets to purchase AD such as S-400, and use AD to block the sky where the combat zone is not very wide. Then countless suicide drones and Brahmos missiles were used to attack airports in Pakistan.

This is the tactic that PAF fears the most, because PAF have not FB. But Modi will not use this tactic because we Chinese value the administrative principle of "实事求是(seeking truth from facts)", while Indians need to please populism.

 

[r3alist]

For any given population or nation, the direction in which its collective energy is focused is typically guided by its leadership

This is not true, every nation has different embedded cultures

When you have a wildly stratified society that persists today that's there for deep historical reasons


When you have a more rules abiding society that frowns on breaking the norm that consensus view formed over time

When you have a grand national narrative based on civilizational glory, lament, revenge, rebirth and then glory again that comes from historical experience


Leader's channel thr energies already existing but they can go in different directions because all are formed in different circumstances and you need luck as well

People live their lives immersed in illusions, inhabiting a rich, elaborate inner world; yet, in reality, the situation is the exact opposite.

But why?it's for a reason

That comes from somewhere, a national psyche emerges from deep roots

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

China move in 8km inside Zangnan meanwhile sanghis on PDF, how can we beat Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, Maldives? bc kiya chutiya koum hai

 

[Yasser76]

Indonesia, Malaysia, Myanmar, Thailand, Singapore, Vietnam, the Philippines and Sri Lanka are potential regional partners for India. India could develop fighter jets in cooperation with some of these countries. Some have already purchased BrahMos missiles, while others are in talks.

BrahMos can be utilised to its full potential when air-launched from platforms such as the Tejas Mk1/Mk2, the upcoming GHATAK UCAV, CATS loyal wingman drones and the Su-30MKI, or deployed from Indian submarines and warships. Malaysia already operates the Su-30MKM and is a potential customer for India's upgrade package.

The satellite-based navigation and guidance capabilities required by BrahMos also highlight the importance of India's NavIC navigation system. These countries can have their own satellites in space using Indian launch vehicles, but bringing the entire region under a common network would be far more effective and cost-efficient.

There are several other areas in which these countries can cooperate, including artillery and combat vehicles. However, missiles, aircraft, warships and submarines require an intensive level of data-link integration. Satellites are becoming increasingly important for network-centric warfare capabilities, supporting everything from missiles to fighter jets and drones.

Same Indonesia that supplied Pakistan weapons in 1965 and 1971 and just signed a joint defence R&D, Manufactureing and training deal with Pakistan? That Indonesia?

Same Malaysia who PM accused India of lying over "terror attacks" and imports Pakistani weapons? That Malaysia?

Same Myanmar that flies JF-17s? That Myanmar?

Same Sri Lanka that has a massive amount of officers being trained in all arms by Pakistan and has PAF help overhaul it's C-130S. That Sri Lanka?


Yeah. so you are left with the military powerhouses of *checks notes*.....Phillippines, Thailand and Vietnam.

Good luck with that....

 

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[Shui]

Indonesia, Malaysia, Myanmar, Thailand, Singapore, Vietnam, the Philippines and Sri Lanka are potential regional partners for India. India could develop fighter jets in cooperation with some of these countries. Some have already purchased BrahMos missiles, while others are in talks.

BrahMos can be utilised to its full potential when air-launched from platforms such as the Tejas Mk1/Mk2, the upcoming GHATAK UCAV, CATS loyal wingman drones and the Su-30MKI, or deployed from Indian submarines and warships. Malaysia already operates the Su-30MKM and is a potential customer for India's upgrade package.

The satellite-based navigation and guidance capabilities required by BrahMos also highlight the importance of India's NavIC navigation system. These countries can have their own satellites in space using Indian launch vehicles, but bringing the entire region under a common network would be far more effective and cost-efficient.

There are several other areas in which these countries can cooperate, including artillery and combat vehicles. However, missiles, aircraft, warships and submarines require an intensive level of data-link integration. Satellites are becoming increasingly important for network-centric warfare capabilities, supporting everything from missiles to fighter jets and drones.

Another acc banned, what a fool.

 

[Signalian]

By that time, Indian Air Force will have the AMCA, Tejas Mk1A, Tejas Mk2, Super Sukhoi, and the next batch of Rafales, which will also come equipped with Indian avionics.

In my opinion, the Indian Air Force is at least 15-16 years behind where it should be. Looking back, India could have seriously considered local production of the Eurofighter Typhoon around 2010 to strengthen its fighter fleet and industrial base. For years, many Indian politicians portrayed Pakistan as an economically weak country with limited capabilities. However, despite numerous economic and political challenges, Pakistan managed to maintain its military capabilities and, at times, surprise India strategically. One factor often overlooked is the extensive military and financial support Pakistan received from the China over several decades.

Today, India faces some difficult decisions regarding its future fighter fleet. The choices surrounding additional Rafales, the Su-57, and other advanced platforms will have long-term consequences. Even if the F-35 were offered, its operation could come with restrictions given India's longstanding defense relationship with Russia.

That said, the Tejas program should not be viewed as a failure. Over the past three decades, India has gained invaluable experience in aircraft design, systems integration, testing, and aerospace manufacturing. Those lessons can play a critical role in ensuring that the Tejas Mk2 and the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) program avoid many of the setbacks that affected earlier projects.

Personally, I believe India should consider a European engine solution rather than relying heavily on American, particularly if long-term strategic autonomy is a priority.

As of now, the Tejas Mk2 is still in the prototype development and testing phase and has not entered full-scale production. The timeline for extensive testing, certification, and eventual induction will depend on how successfully the flight-test program progresses. Likewise, the AMCA remains a highly ambitious project that will require years of prototype development, testing, certification, and industrial preparation before meaningful production can begin. Both programs represent important milestones in India's pursuit of self-reliance in military aviation, but they will require sustained investment, realistic timelines, and disciplined execution to succeed.

This mentality that a certain aircraft or future aircrafts will be the 'answer' for the adversary is a very shabby concept. If we only had Rafale, now if only have such and such wish list...

Two things became a headache for Pakistan last May. One was the incursion of drones and the other was Brahmos which is very difficult to detect and intercept.

Even if India gets F-22 Raptor on its wish list, by the time they acquire it, the technology would have evolved. Look at wars in Ukraine and Iran. Its come to missiles and drones mostly. All conventional weapons are detected and taken out. USAF lost aircraft. Iran used missiles and drones. Iran has no AF at all, its best fighter is a shabby Mig-29, yet Iran gave a bloody nose to every adversary. Iran didnt say we need SU35 and J35 and then will do this. RuAF has a plethora of aircrafts and MBTs. What happened ? There are SU30, SU34, SU35 and SU57 - thats the cream of RuAF against Ukrainian AF of handful of SU27s and Mig29s. Even F-16s are limited in numbers and arrived late. Ukraine changed the way wars are fought. It forced Russia into a drone war, not an aerial war where RuAF triumphs.

Nobody sees the technological shifts occurring in front of eyes. The ways wars are shaping now.

 

[Signalian]

India should look to regional partners and develop indigenous capacity.

You realize the nationality of pilots flying all those new aircrafts on their wishlist. It will be Israelis supporting them eventually for a saving grace.

 

[RescueRanger]

You realize the nationality of pilots flying all those new aircrafts on their wishlist. It will be Israelis supporting them eventually for a saving grace.