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[tsunset]

Iran needs a complete rework of security in Sistan Balochistan

According to my own maths, at least 0.5 security/police/soldiers are killed each month by terrorists, either from terrorist groups or random gunmen in Balochestan province and borders

Only for Balochestan, Iran should get level 3 plates for every single security team and soldiers, including border guards, halt temporarily deliveries of APC to Iraq and deliver a massive batch of them to security members

- There is no need to make armors by Iran itself, Russia could provide plates for every single member of the army and security in Balochestan
- Iran produces APC such as Toophan in numbers, stop the delivery of unarmored Aras vehicles
- Protection against IEDs contained in the APCs
- Armor to protect up to 12.7mm bullets (for vehicles and APC)
- Level 3 armor and helmet, this can be obtained from Russia or China, but only limited to Balochestan in a first step
-Regroup a large number of gunships such as AH-1J/Mi-17 and drones (any armed drone) ready to lock on targets quickly or gun them down once backup is called


The majority of those attacks consists in using AK in a group of 2+ man and doing a drive by in high power motorbike or shooting from afar and destroys glasses of the unarmored cars resulting in head shots

This kind of attack wouldn't be possible anymore with the use of APCs and stoppage of AK bullets, so far we've never seen those groups using RPGs or bigger weaponry, only limited to machine guns and AKs

Anyone saying that this rework isn't possible is completely wrong and underestimate Iran ability to produce armored vehicles and a simple purchase of plates and helmets from Russia/China. Hezbollah and PMU soldiers have more or less modern helmets and plates but still way better than any border guard in Iran

 

[jauk]

Range session IRGC Al-e-Mohammad brigade:

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[Immortals]

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Now THAT is an upgrade package.

Not the high school science project crap they roll out year to year and embarrass our nation.

@jauk @Hack-Hook

 

[Kyussis]

Now THAT is an upgrade package.

Not the high school science project crap they roll out year to year and embarrass our nation.

@jauk @Hack-Hook

Hopefully they are considering a similar upgrade for the Chieftain fleet!

 

[Comandante]

Finally!

 

[wudangmaster]

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[Shadihassan28]

Significant Update to Iranian M60 Tanks: Introduction of Soleiman-402 Model

Significant Update to Iranian M60 Tanks: Introduction of Soleiman-402 Model

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[Persian Gulf]

Soleiman-402 M-60 tank upgrade package

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[Immortals]

Soleiman-402 M-60 tank upgrade package

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Million dollar question is will anyone order this package?

I think Russian war opened Iran’s eyes about how vulnerable their tank inventory is in any major land war after seeing Russia lose thousands of tanks in a blink of an eye.

Good news for Iran is there is no major land neighbors where it has to invade or defend against.

And the threat of US land war into Iran is high unlikely, but not 0%. Thus it makes sense to have programs like this developed as contingencies while you wait to address the issue later on when your military funding permits. Tanks aren’t exactly a high priority right now for Iran.

 

[alireza]

Hopefully they are considering a similar upgrade for the Chieftain fleet!

Million dollar question is will anyone order this package?

I think Russian war opened Iran’s eyes about how vulnerable their tank inventory is in any major land war after seeing Russia lose thousands of tanks in a blink of an eye.

Good news for Iran is there is no major land neighbors where it has to invade or defend against.

And the threat of US land war into Iran is high unlikely, but not 0%. Thus it makes sense to have programs like this developed as contingencies while you wait to address the issue later on when your military funding permits. Tanks aren’t exactly a high priority right now for Iran.

Million dollar question is will anyone order this package?

I think Russian war opened Iran’s eyes about how vulnerable their tank inventory is in any major land war after seeing Russia lose thousands of tanks in a blink of an eye.

Good news for Iran is there is no major land neighbors where it has to invade or defend against.

And the threat of US land war into Iran is high unlikely, but not 0%. Thus it makes sense to have programs like this developed as contingencies while you wait to address the issue later on when your military funding permits. Tanks aren’t exactly a high priority right now for Iran.

Iran should still be upgrading their tanks. Regardless of threat, having a very old tank force is a sign of weakness. The Artesh program to upgrade the T-72 to T-72F is actually pretty good. It should be the standard. Affordable, solid upgrade, nothing too fancy. Iran still needs tanks on the border with Azerbaijan and Afghanistan.

 

[jauk]

Iran should still be upgrading their tanks. Regardless of threat, having a very old tank force is a sign of weakness. The Artesh program to upgrade the T-72 to T-72F is actually pretty good. It should be the standard. Affordable, solid upgrade, nothing too fancy. Iran still needs tanks on the border with Azerbaijan and Afghanistan.

Adding 'should' to commentaries reduces credibility and vigor. Please present a more comprehensive data based suggestion. Note, your bar is high--why hasn't Iran done it already?

 

[alireza]

Adding 'should' to commentaries reduces credibility and vigor. Please present a more comprehensive data based suggestion. Note, your bar is high--why hasn't Iran done it already?

Iran has been upgrading some tanks, but delays or reasons it hasn't done it in mass is due to budget and priority. Looking at the ground force personal equipment and vehicles, it is reasonable to conclude the ground forces are not a top priority for investment and improvement,

 

[Immortals]

Iran should still be upgrading their tanks.

And yet you answer your own suggestion:

it hasn't done it in mass is due to budget and priority.

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The Artesh program to upgrade the T-72 to T-72F is actually pretty good. It should be the standard.

Pretty good against who? Hamas could blow up a T-72’F’ with ease.
Without a valid APS system your upgrade isn’t worth the metal scraps it will be left with from a $25K ATGM.

Laser jammers and aerosol only help so much on a modern battlefield, basic features like automatic turret counter battery fire is needed against hidden threat. Ability to datalink with UAVs and other tanks. Battle map assessments, list goes on and on.

Affordable, solid upgrade, nothing too fancy.

It’s shells and cannon are archaic, arguably the most important part of the tank. Iran has yet to upgrade their shells to NATO standard which means tanks range of fire is limited and when within range it’s penetration is Cold War era.

It’s not just making the outside of your tank look a bit modern that’s important, the subsystems and features inside need to improve survivability.

Iran still needs tanks on the border with Azerbaijan and Afghanistan.

For what? Tanks were generally used to break thru front lines or to support and provide cover to advancing infranty on large battlefields. Neither Afghanistan nor Azerbaijan have a serious mechanized force so quite frankly it wouldn’t matter if it was T-72, Karrar, or an M1 Abrams. Iran would be fine.

Neither country would even use their tanks to advance on Iranian border in whatever fantastical scenario we could come up with since Iranian helicopters, drones, and aircraft would obliterate them.


Iran is better off putting these current tanks into storage and eventually building their national battle tank that has more modern armour composition (Depleted uranium perhaps) , a modern APS, ability to launch drones and Almas stand off munitions, more modern survivability tech like counter battery fire and datalinks of battle map assessments. A big impediment has been lack of powerful tank engine.

If it cannot afford to build that then keeping the same tanks it has for the time being is a better cost conscious route. Even Karrar is merely a stop gap that should have been implemented 15 years ago.

 

[wudangmaster]

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