SteppeWolff
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Your argument is of rage and fear, not reason. You're asking for collective punishment of entire ethnic groups, children no less and all of it is based on the actions of insurgents, and you're trying to wrap that under the guise of "patriotism" and "security." And what you're advocating for is "state sponsored ethnic persecution". That is not justice. That is fascism.You read this thread title right? we are in a thread where a bus full of young kids was bombed, you still think there is room for more resentment ? remember APS ? I guess the Pakistani's have forgot them kids only remember for jazbati songs.
You tried dialog, appeasement, reconciliation for over 2 decades now, what results did that bring you? from 2002-2025, we had few years of relative peace and from 2020 onwards terrorism is on the rise again. I argued that you can build them schools, roads, nice markets, hospitals they will blow them up again and the " bechare " log will not rise up nor raise a voice against the TTP/BLA, we have seen this again and again.. How many more Pakistani's have to die before the B/P people realize that the fault lies within? rather than Truck ki batti ke tarah bas India/CIA/MOSSAD pe blame kerte raho? have you seen such behavior in other develop or civilized country ? how many Norwegians have taken money from Russians and blow up their own people? how many Russians take CIA money to kill their own kids ? But we have countless incidents of Punjabi labors identified and executed and not a Chun from the Baloch people.. This is peak Resentment within Pakistan and if this hasn't stopped using Iron fist and educational camps you will never peace in Pakistan EVER, no dua aur wazifay or 12 page ki reports will bring peace and stability to the country, only hard decisions and strong resolve can take a nation out of difficult times, we show some balls when we start kicking Afghans, now its time to build highly secure camps and make it mandatory for every Pashtoon/Baloch kid to go there, they will be educated, no need to turn it into prison, China has done similar to Uhighurs, and see the results not a single suicide attack or separatist movement exists, Uhighurs were Chinese citizens too but they were put in these educational camps because sometimes you need to do to protect the rest of the country.
Only liberal and far left see the internment camps as shame, there are millions of people in US who would agree to make more such camps for Latino's or Muslims, and even if US or any other country does that world will not blink an eye over it, Muslims in India are living under constant fear, and yet their Muslims are not violent towards their Govt, no resistance or fight... while we are Muslims, living in a Islamic country, yet we have B/P people slaughtering their own people over religion and racism... If you reflect on things by removing the lens of fake Patriotism and zabardasti ki unity things will get super clear.
I am ethno fascist for saying that govt should build reductional camps and make B/P people's kids to get education there and learn basic manners and decency and real Patriotism, learn to live their country rather than this fake persona, yeah we all Pakistani's blah blah as they say but deep down we know TTP/BLA has full support of people and locals because without their help no Terrorist Organization can last against Strong will of state. ISPR ne gana banaya tha yaad hai ? Mujhe dushman ke bacho ko Pardhana hai... I think its time to do just that, you don't want to call them Dushman? call them hostile people, what matter is their next generation raha-e-rast, because if not done than be prepared for next generation breed of Terrorist, with much more brutal tactics and effective.
And citing tragedies like APS to justify internment camps, as if grief licenses moral collapse. But collective trauma is not a green light for collective punishment. APS was a national tragedy, yes; but since when do you avenge murdered children by locking up other children who had nothing to do with it? That’s not strength, that’s cowardice disguised as "policy".
You say Pakistan “tried dialogue for two decades.” What dialogue? Show me where there was sincere, inclusive political engagement, where grievances over missing persons, resource exploitation, military occupation, or denial of rights were genuinely addressed. Throwing aid money into a war torn province while denying people a voice isn’t reconciliation; it’s bribery with boots on their necks. You can’t fix systemic oppression with charity and expect loyalty in return.
Your analogy with Norway and Russia is nonsense. Norway didn’t colonize and exploit a minority region for decades and then wonder why resentment brewed. Russia does have separatist violence in its peripheries, just like India does in Kashmir. The idea that “Muslims in India are calm” is laughably false. What you see there is not peace, it’s fear under the shadow of state violence, lynchings, and second class citizenship. That’s not a model to follow; it’s a warning of what not to become.
And praising China’s Uyghur camps as "successful" is funny. Success by what standard? Silencing an entire culture through digital surveillance, forced labor, sterilization, and indoctrination? That’s not peace, that’s a graveyard of human rights. And if you think the world didn’t blink read the UN reports, read the sanctions, read the condemnations. What you’re celebrating is ethnic cleansing with better branding.
You want to "educate" Baloch and Pashtun kids by removing them from their communities and shoving state propaganda down their throats. That’s not education, that’s brainwashing. The state’s job isn’t to make people blindly loyal, it’s to serve them, protect their rights, and earn their trust. You can’t beat people into patriotism. The more you repress, the more you radicalize.
Your view is not security driven, it's supremacist. You want submission, not unity. You believe only coercion works, because you fear the alternative: accountability, inclusion, equality. That’s not strength. That’s failure masquerading as resolve.
If someone wants to actually solve the grassroots issues of Balochistan and eventually annihilating the insurgency, re education camps would be the last thing they would do, if they are sane.




