Attack on Army School bus on Quetta-Khuzdar corridor— 6 Children martyred 43 injured.

[Musings]

@Parmanu
Not the right place to bring your grievances up.

 

[RescueRanger]

So there is mention of reinforcing CTD and activating NACTA again.

We are living in some crazy times folks. Stay safe everyone.

 

[Khan090]

agar unka beghair NIC k guzara horaha tha to isme koi harj nahi na jurm. ayeeni rooh k mutabiq.

Who said it is not a crime?
As per NADRA Ordinance 2000 sec 9(I) it is mandatory to get registration for any citizen of Pakistan within 3 months (90 days) of reaching 18 years of age.
Failure in compliance to these requirements can lead to penalties outlined in sec 30(e) of the same ordinance.
Penalties are:
i. Imprisonment of 6 months.
ii. A fine of 50000
iii. Or both of the said.
So, not getting registration within 90 days of reaching 18 years of age is a crime as per Pakistani laws.
And in the management scenario if someone is not processed for a cnic or a crc (Form B) his/her registration is much more time consuming then others who already have cnic/crc.
As for fresh registration it takes much more time (at least 3-5x more time) as compared to someone already registered through cnic/crc. It usually takes 5-8 minutes for already registered person for processing but may take upto 30 minutes or even more due to extra verification and interview etc.
And in our region sarraikis are so responsible that after birth of a child they carry newborn baby along with them even within first week of birth for registration.
And some punjabi aunties with their 30 year babies argue "iss di shaadi vi ni hoi si kido caart bnda!"
Rural Punjabis are worst in timely registration matters.
And as for identity NADRA has following laws:
Section 30 – Offenses and Penalties: This section outlines various offenses related to the misuse of identity data, including:


i. Section 30(e): Unauthorized use or alteration of identity information.
ii. Section 30(f): Forgery or fraudulent use of identity documents.
iii. Section 30(g): Unauthorized access to or manipulation of NADRA's databases.

And NADRA has implemented various techniques to stop fake processing/identity theft as compulsory fingerprint/facial verification in order to reprint lost/expired, modification etc of identity documents.
And mostly NADRA has no direct link with identity theft cases as first FIA handles them, then court issues an order and then NADRA complies with record if necessary.
Again NADRA has various checks to avoid fake processing/identity theft problems, but fake documents with photoshop techniques but these may visually deceive but the culprit will be caught in any bio-metric verification etc.

 

[RescueRanger]

Who said it is not a crime?
As per NADRA Ordinance 2000 sec 9(I) it is mandatory to get registration for any citizen of Pakistan within 3 months (90 days) of reaching 18 years of age.
Failure in compliance to these requirements can lead to penalties outlined in sec 30(e) of the same ordinance.
Penalties are:
i. Imprisonment of 6 months.
ii. A fine of 50000
iii. Or both of the said.
So, not getting registration within 90 days of reaching 18 years of age is a crime as per Pakistani laws.
And in the management scenario if someone is not processed for a cnic or a crc (Form B) his/her registration is much more time consuming then others who already have cnic/crc.
As for fresh registration it takes much more time (at least 3-5x more time) as compared to someone already registered through cnic/crc. It usually takes 5-8 minutes for already registered person for processing but may take upto 30 minutes or even more due to extra verification and interview etc.
And in our region sarraikis are so responsible that after birth of a child they carry newborn baby along with them even within first week of birth for registration.
And some punjabi aunties with their 30 year babies argue "iss di shaadi vi ni hoi si kido caart bnda!"
Rural Punjabis are worst in timely registration matters.
And as for identity NADRA has following laws:
Section 30 – Offenses and Penalties: This section outlines various offenses related to the misuse of identity data, including:


i. Section 30(e): Unauthorized use or alteration of identity information.
ii. Section 30(f): Forgery or fraudulent use of identity documents.
iii. Section 30(g): Unauthorized access to or manipulation of NADRA's databases.

And NADRA has implemented various techniques to stop fake processing/identity theft as compulsory fingerprint/facial verification in order to reprint lost/expired, modification etc of identity documents.
And mostly NADRA has no direct link with identity theft cases as first FIA handles them, then court issues an order and then NADRA complies with record if necessary.
Again NADRA has various checks to avoid fake processing/identity theft problems, but fake documents with photoshop techniques but these may visually deceive but the culprit will be caught in any bio-metric verification etc.

This. Everyone should have NADRA registration.

No exceptions.

 

[Khan090]

A brutal and large scale military operation is the need of time.
State should show no mercy to these Hindu brotherhood terrorists.
And we should also remember that not many pashtoons/baloch are ghadar. Only a bunch of them are anti-state and causing defame for our pashtoon/baloch brothers.
And even among them many or mis-behaved/misguided/manipulated, so the state should handle them with extra care.
May Give guidance to some of these and they may return to the path of virtue!
Besides this no mercy to be shown for anyone who picks arms against the state and no "fake mazloomiat" can be stated as the cause of the killing innocent children.
Its time to crush them without mercy, but political role is equally important to avoid panic in peaceful population of the country who will be affected from this operation.

 

[mythbuster]

A brutal and large scale military operation is the need of time.
State should show no mercy to these Hindu brotherhood terrorists.
And we should also remember that not many pashtoons/baloch are ghadar. Only a bunch of them are anti-state and causing defame for our pashtoon/baloch brothers.
And even among them many or mis-behaved/misguided/manipulated, so the state should handle them with extra care.
May Give guidance to some of these and they may return to the path of virtue!
Besides this no mercy to be shown for anyone who picks arms against the state and no "fake mazloomiat" can be stated as the cause of the killing innocent children.
Its time to crush them without mercy, but political role is equally important to avoid panic in peaceful population of the country who will be affected from this operation.

Your sentiments are being shared by the powers to be..... there are last of the Mohican but there won't be last of the bla.....these rascals will be ferreted out of any hole they hide .

 

[Uzair Khan]

Security forces have killed BLA commander and mastermind of the Khuzdar school van attack, Murtaza Baloch, in an operation, Security sources claimed.
Several operations were carried out overnight, and many are still ongoing.

A long list of missing persons is about to be updated.

DGISPR PRESS CONFERENCE AT 2: 30 PM.

 

[Fatman17]

UNSC condemns ‘heinous, cowardly’ terrorist attack on school bus in Khuzdar

Source: Dawn
https://search.app/QzxPc

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[El Sidd]

Who said it is not a crime?
As per NADRA Ordinance 2000 sec 9(I) it is mandatory to get registration for any citizen of Pakistan within 3 months (90 days) of reaching 18 years of age.
Failure in compliance to these requirements can lead to penalties outlined in sec 30(e) of the same ordinance.
Penalties are:
i. Imprisonment of 6 months.
ii. A fine of 50000
iii. Or both of the said.
So, not getting registration within 90 days of reaching 18 years of age is a crime as per Pakistani laws.
And in the management scenario if someone is not processed for a cnic or a crc (Form B) his/her registration is much more time consuming then others who already have cnic/crc.
As for fresh registration it takes much more time (at least 3-5x more time) as compared to someone already registered through cnic/crc. It usually takes 5-8 minutes for already registered person for processing but may take upto 30 minutes or even more due to extra verification and interview etc.
And in our region sarraikis are so responsible that after birth of a child they carry newborn baby along with them even within first week of birth for registration.
And some punjabi aunties with their 30 year babies argue "iss di shaadi vi ni hoi si kido caart bnda!"
Rural Punjabis are worst in timely registration matters.
And as for identity NADRA has following laws:
Section 30 – Offenses and Penalties: This section outlines various offenses related to the misuse of identity data, including:


i. Section 30(e): Unauthorized use or alteration of identity information.
ii. Section 30(f): Forgery or fraudulent use of identity documents.
iii. Section 30(g): Unauthorized access to or manipulation of NADRA's databases.

And NADRA has implemented various techniques to stop fake processing/identity theft as compulsory fingerprint/facial verification in order to reprint lost/expired, modification etc of identity documents.
And mostly NADRA has no direct link with identity theft cases as first FIA handles them, then court issues an order and then NADRA complies with record if necessary.
Again NADRA has various checks to avoid fake processing/identity theft problems, but fake documents with photoshop techniques but these may visually deceive but the culprit will be caught in any bio-metric verification etc.

I am yet to hear of a penal case or a court decision on anyone found guilty of this crime.

 

[RescueRanger]

I am yet to hear of a penal case or a court decision on anyone found guilty of this crime.

Ah yes because we all know how amazing and robust Pakistan's criminal justice system is right?

 

[Starlord]

They've been attacking Pakistan and behaving like animals for 80 years now

How long do you wait for these people, when they are killing children and labourers????

These lannati people have blood on their hands, their are some things that are unforgivable

Genuine grievance we can discuss,, what we can't discuss is murderous harami beghariti

I don't want to give mercy, or helps or spend money on people who kill children or labourers or travellers.
Those type of people are scum, they don't deserve anything, let alone respect or understanding

Rehne de bhai, Like a said people will go far lengths to justify acts of terrorism and violence which are purely based on race, meanwhile Pakistani's will keep picking up dead bodies, there is no point in wasting with anyone because all of the members here are posting these long posts based on fake patriotism and zabardasti ki unity, ground realities are way different, yeh jo gayaan Ch@d rahe hai aaj half Balochistan aur half KPK mai travel nai ker sakte in certain clothes with certain name tags... you know we have people here write long posts how world doesn't give a F about Pakistan and lives of Pakistani's the reason is because we don't give a F about our own lives, but kisi B/P people ka dil dukhe, woh chahe aap ke bache maar den point blank pe shoot ker ke, ya bomb se urda den.

these people including mods who are talking about Grievances bechare log have zero idea what Gareebi is, how people cope with it, they are trying their best to look all nice goodie goodie and pretends to show Indians here that how Sab changa si here.. 2 memes daal do, 2-3 Indians ki trolling ker lo bas, yeh jo yahan ek dosre ko bhai bhai bolte hai na, mauqa mile tu ek dosre ke gardane uttar den, this is the dark reality of Pakistan.

mere ghar pe ek maasi kaam kerti thi, when i was still in Pakistan.. her name was irshaad, she used to be very sick and very weak, dholi patli but she had 8 kids, husband kaam nai kerta but sharab pi ker maarta bhi tha, for years her condition didn't change, we help the best we can which include my old school books and some school fees for her kids, my ammi and i went to her house in Bangali para many times and it was smaller than the bathroom of these people jo yahan bari bari baaten Ch@d rahe hai unity ki, and eventually her elder son complete his intermediate exams pass out, and he finds a job as sales for a company that sell things like pipes, plumbing equip, than her second eldest son gets a job as electrician, not electrical engineer but woh dukaan wali job, 3rd kid because a compounder/cleaning guy in a clinic near by, to this day she often come to meet my mom, her 2 daughters are now married and she has grandkids, she now lives in a little bit bigger house in same bangali para near my house...
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Moral of the story is that those who justify acts of terrorism and violence over Grievance, as I call it their R@ndi rona... learn a thing or two from the maasi that used to work at my house, and she is not only one, countless stories exists in that small piece of land and houses that sits next to Liyari Naala, no electricity, no saaf pani , roads pe roads ke ilawa sab kuch, no schools for their kids, no vaccines etc yet they live, do hard work and make a honest living, unlike the B/P people who since our independence their Grievance khatam hi nai ho rahi, BC pura mulk khatam ho gaya lakin inki Grievance nai.

 

[El Sidd]

Ah yes because we all know how amazing and robust Pakistan's criminal justice system is right?

I suspect its not technically a crime under the spirit of constitution. It's not a socialist country and free will is a human right confirmed by the constitution.

 

[RescueRanger]

I suspect its not technically a crime under the spirit of constitution. It's not a socialist country and free will is a human right confirmed by the constitution.

The 'spirit of the constitution'? Which version of the constitution would that be?

Registration of citizens, births, deaths, marriages are important for any nation..

Anyway this is not relevant to this tragedy, so let's try to get back on topic please.

 

[Starlord]

Your argument is of rage and fear, not reason. You're asking for collective punishment of entire ethnic groups, children no less and all of it is based on the actions of insurgents, and you're trying to wrap that under the guise of "patriotism" and "security." And what you're advocating for is "state sponsored ethnic persecution". That is not justice. That is fascism.

Honestly i don't think you understand what Fascism means, yehi problem hai lunda ke liberals ka, social media se 2-4 bhari bhari words utha lo aur abuse ker ker ke us word ka meaning hi badal do, counter terrorism ? Fascism- , Rehabilitation = fascism , Re-education and turning people from violent to non-violent = fascism, har cheez fascism..

And citing tragedies like APS to justify internment camps, as if grief licenses moral collapse. But collective trauma is not a green light for collective punishment. APS was a national tragedy, yes; but since when do you avenge murdered children by locking up other children who had nothing to do with it? That’s not strength, that’s cowardice disguised as "policy".

Again cheezy words won't help you, no one is talking about putting kids into jails, as you call them locking up, I am talking about educational camps which were run by Army in Wana and others parts of KPK already, rescue ranger se pouch lo.. what I am saying that a iron fist approach towards those who support or even suspect of supporting TTP/BLA, make it mandatory for B/P people that their kids will go into these schools, there are laws even is US that if parents don't take care of their kids or can't raise them good than Govt takes them away to put in foster homes, I am talking about educating them not in prisons but schools.

You say Pakistan “tried dialogue for two decades.” What dialogue? Show me where there was sincere, inclusive political engagement, where grievances over missing persons, resource exploitation, military occupation, or denial of rights were genuinely addressed. Throwing aid money into a war torn province while denying people a voice isn’t reconciliation; it’s bribery with boots on their necks. You can’t fix systemic oppression with charity and expect loyalty in return.

If you don't think there was any sincere talks than its a question you need to ask Army, there was countless talks spear headed by Govt and even Army generals, heck even in case of lal masjid there was extensive talks, and as far as BLA is concerns why would they talk? they have full public support, Baloch people are with them, they hide them, do mukhbari for them, Baloch also holds a sentiment of a Azaad Balochistan, so why would BLA even consider talks? Terrorist organizations often agree to talk when they suffer causalities and they don't have public support, do you even know what are demands of BLA? they have no demands, they are doing just fine because you kill 10 of them 50 Baloch people will replace them..

Your analogy with Norway and Russia is nonsense. Norway didn’t colonize and exploit a minority region for decades and then wonder why resentment brewed. Russia does have separatist violence in its peripheries, just like India does in Kashmir. The idea that “Muslims in India are calm” is laughably false. What you see there is not peace, it’s fear under the shadow of state violence, lynchings, and second class citizenship. That’s not a model to follow; it’s a warning of what not to become.

Yeh mostly logical arguments Pakistaniyo ke sir ke upper se nikal jaate hai i am not surprised one bit, as far as India Muslim is concerned, ok they are scared but that gives them peace, their kids can go out to school without fear, they can go their places of worship without the fear of a suicide bomber, same goes to Chinese people.. you need the fear of state to bring peace in any country, tum ko kia lagta hai US mai police lollipop de ker crimes rokti hai ? ya FBI NSA bhaiya babu shoona ker ke ? people know that state will come after you, they have agencies that monitor/listen you at all points, you have to bring the same fear of state in the people of B/KPK, because that impression that they have about themselves that we are tribal people we fought super powers and no one can defeat us makes them also the people who doesn't give Shite about the Laws of the land. Rest of your argument is not even worth responding.

And praising China’s Uyghur camps as "successful" is funny. Success by what standard? Silencing an entire culture through digital surveillance, forced labor, sterilization, and indoctrination? That’s not peace, that’s a graveyard of human rights. And if you think the world didn’t blink read the UN reports, read the sanctions, read the condemnations. What you’re celebrating is ethnic cleansing with better branding.

Lol bro you are joking right? China model is not success ? now that gives me a good laugh, look at your country and look at China. You can't even travel to any countries without them taking your chaddi's off at air ports because of fear of Terrorism while China has/is facing world's super power America and its most powerful allies. so yeah if their model is no success than i don't know what is.

You want to "educate" Baloch and Pashtun kids by removing them from their communities and shoving state propaganda down their throats. That’s not education, that’s brainwashing. The state’s job isn’t to make people blindly loyal, it’s to serve them, protect their rights, and earn their trust. You can’t beat people into patriotism. The more you repress, the more you radicalize.

Exactly, I rather have them kids learn state propaganda than BLA/TTP propaganda that makes them suicide bomber, or turn them into monster who can blow up other kids to justify its political agenda, yes if that is what brings peace and stability so be it, plus doing nothing is not gonna help, you fight this war for over 2 decades, give another 2-3 decades and you will be standing at same point, according to B/P Pakistan already is evil state and oppressing them so why not embrace it ? save their future generations from taking the same path of chaos and destruction? they brought this upon themselves, all they have to do is to live like a decent Human beings but even that is too much to ask from the certain people these days.

Your view is not security driven, it's supremacist. You want submission, not unity. You believe only coercion works, because you fear the alternative: accountability, inclusion, equality. That’s not strength. That’s failure masquerading as resolve.

Supremacy of who exactly ? I am Urdu speaker do you see me arguing giving leadership to Urdu speaking people? Govt will still be dominated by Punjabis/Pathans and Sindhi, so what supremacy is I am talking about? I want state writ, fear of justice and most of all to eradicate the Baloch/Pashtoon Tribalism/Jirga system, that has costs many lives which even non Tribals have suffered, hum kyun bhokten inke gayuuar aur bahadur aur Tribal hone ka khamiaza ? you want to live like cavemen by all means stay in KPK, or Balochistan and keep shooting labors, then don't cry for Grievances or lack of infrastructure because you kill the labors that build them.

If someone wants to actually solve the grassroots issues of Balochistan and eventually annihilating the insurgency, re education camps would be the last thing they would do, if they are sane.

Hence there will never be a time in our or our next Generations life time where we will have a safe/peaceful Pakistan, jis mulk mai tum aur dosre jo bas fake arguments de rahe hai wahan na Insaan ki life ki value, na Mulk ki kaadar, bas B/P logo ka dil dukhe, logo ko apne ander ke kachra saaf kerne na bolo, jaise chal raha hai chalta rehne do, lashen tu uthti rahen gi, waise bhi Pakistaniyo ki jaan ki value hai hi kia ? right...

 

[RescueRanger]

Rehne de bhai, Like a said people will go far lengths to justify acts of terrorism

Who is justifying acts of terrorism on this forum in this thread? Can you name one member?

If not please don't post things like this. Thanks.