Babur-Class (MILGEM) Corvette | Updates & Discussion

harpy1 said:
That's the most hillirious comment yet

Firstly you have nothing in class of kolkatta class destroyers their nearly twice the size of your new frigates with double the fire power and we have seven in service now

Secondly we have two medium sized carriers you have none

Third you have Three or four Agosta class subs
We have the follow on new scorpene with much better stealth better technology and six in service

We have better more modern p8 posedion Maritime anti subs planes 12 of them.

We have much bigger air arm with three times the number of planes and helicopters

Do you want me to go on
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Hi,

Come down from your high horse---. I mentioned Regional---. Not all assets of IN be available in this region---.

You don't need to agree---and that is fine---. But we have achieved our first primary goal---.
 
harpy1 said:
That's the most hillirious comment yet

Firstly you have nothing in class of kolkatta class destroyers their nearly twice the size of your new frigates with double the fire power and we have seven in service now

Secondly we have two medium sized carriers you have none

Third you have Three or four Agosta class subs
We have the follow on new scorpene with much better stealth better technology and six in service

We have better more modern p8 posedion Maritime anti subs planes 12 of them.

We have much bigger air arm with three times the number of planes and helicopters

Do you want me to go on
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PN Fleet (Current/on active duty):

  • 04 (FFGs) - F22Ps
  • 04 (FFGs) - 054A/Ps
  • 01 (FFGs) - OHP
  • 01 (CORs) - Milgem (Commissioned but not yet joined the fleet)
  • 02 (CORs) - Damen OPV design
  • 03 (SSKs) - A90Bs (MLU-ed)
  • 07 (MPAs) - P3C Orion
  • 05 (MPAs) - RAS/ATR72
  • 03 (AORs) - Tankers/replenishment
  • 05 (MCVs) - Mine Hunters
  • 05 (CH4) - HALE drones

PN Fleet (post 2025-30):

  • 04 (FFGs) - F22Ps (will receive MLU)
  • 04 (FFGs) - 054A/Ps
  • 04 (FFGs) - Jinnah (2+2 batch, based on AS3400/3600 design)
  • 04 (CORs) - Milgem
  • 04 (CORs) - Damen OPV design
  • 03 (SSKs) - A90Bs (MLU-ed)
  • 08 (SSKs) - 039Bs
  • 07 (MPAs) - P3C Orion
  • 08 (MPAs) - RAS/Sea Eagle
  • 04 (LRMPA) - Sea Sultan (Based on lineage 1000)
  • 04 (AORs) - Tankers/replenishment
  • 05 (MCVs) - Mine Hunters
  • 05 (CH4) - HALE drones
  • 05 (TW328) - HALE drones

PN Fleet (post 2030-35):

  • 04 (FFGs) - F22Ps (MLU-ed)
  • 04 (FFGs) - 054A/Ps
  • 08 (FFGs) - Jinnah (2+6 batch, based on AS3400/3600 design)
  • 04 (CORs) - Milgem
  • 04 (CORs) - Damen OPV design
  • 03 (SSKs) - A90Bs (MLU-ed)
  • 08 (SSKs) - 039Bs
  • 06 (SSK-Ns) - Type-41/?? New upcoming Chines design
  • 08 (SSPs) - Italian Design (S800)
  • 08 (MPAs) - RAS/Sea Eagle
  • 12 (LRMPA) - Sea Sultan (Based on lineage 1000)
  • 06 (AORs) - Tankers/replenishment
  • 08 (MCVs) - Mine Hunters
  • 05 (CH4) - HALE drones
  • 05 (TW328) - HALE drones

FFGs - 16
CORv - 08
SSKs - 11
SSPs - 08
SSK(N) - 06
MPAs - 08
LRMPAs - 12
Drones - 10 (HALE)
AORs - 06
MCVs - 08

Enough for IN to keep at bay....
 
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hussain0216 said:
When are the Jinnah class ships coming

I believe their are 8 in total and my understanding is that although they are frigates, they will provide a destroyer like punch
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Follow the below link...all 8 will be delivered by 2031/2.


Jinnah Class Frigate | Updates & Discussion

JCF is a key part of the PN MILGEM program. PN ordered onto a joint-project with the principal contractor, ASFAT Inc. (Military Factor and Shipyard Management), to design, develop, and build an original frigate tailored for the PN’s Multi Mission Frigates requirements. based on the Turkish...
defencepk.com defencepk.com
 
Qureshi said:
PN Fleet (Current/on active duty):

  • 04 (FFGs) - F22Ps
  • 04 (FFGs) - 054A/Ps
  • 01 (FFGs) - OHP
  • 01 (CORs) - Milgem (Commissioned but not yet joined the fleet)
  • 02 (CORs) - Damen OPV design
  • 03 (SSKs) - A90Bs (MLU-ed)
  • 07 (MPAs) - P3C Orion
  • 05 (MPAs) - RAS/ATR72
  • 03 (AORs) - Tankers/replenishment
  • 05 (MCVs) - Mine Hunters
  • 05 (CH4) - HALE drones

PN Fleet (post 2025-30):

  • 04 (FFGs) - F22Ps (will receive MLU)
  • 04 (FFGs) - 054A/Ps
  • 04 (FFGs) - Jinnah (2+2 batch, based on AS3400/3600 design)
  • 04 (CORs) - Milgem
  • 04 (CORs) - Damen OPV design
  • 03 (SSKs) - A90Bs (MLU-ed)
  • 08 (SSKs) - 039Bs
  • 07 (MPAs) - P3C Orion
  • 08 (MPAs) - RAS/Sea Eagle
  • 04 (LRMPA) - Sea Sultan (Based on lineage 1000)
  • 04 (AORs) - Tankers/replenishment
  • 05 (MCVs) - Mine Hunters
  • 05 (CH4) - HALE drones
  • 05 (TW328) - HALE drones

PN Fleet (post 2030-35):

  • 04 (FFGs) - F22Ps (MLU-ed)
  • 04 (FFGs) - 054A/Ps
  • 08 (FFGs) - Jinnah (2+6 batch, based on AS3400/3600 design)
  • 04 (CORs) - Milgem
  • 04 (CORs) - Damen OPV design
  • 03 (SSKs) - A90Bs (MLU-ed)
  • 08 (SSKs) - 039Bs
  • 06 (SSK-Ns) - Type-41/?? New upcoming Chines design
  • 08 (SSPs) - Italian Design (S800)
  • 08 (MPAs) - RAS/Sea Eagle
  • 12 (LRMPA) - Sea Sultan (Based on lineage 1000)
  • 06 (AORs) - Tankers/replenishment
  • 08 (MCVs) - Mine Hunters
  • 05 (CH4) - HALE drones
  • 05 (TW328) - HALE drones

FFGs - 16
CORv - 08
SSKs - 11
SSPs - 08
SSK(N) - 06
MPAs - 08
LRMPAs - 12
Drones - 10 (HALE)
AORs - 06
MCVs - 08

Enough for IN to keep at bay....
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6 new SSK(N)s by 2035? We haven't even inducted all 8 Hangors yet, not sure our coffers would allow for this new venture.
 
hussain0216 said:
When are the Jinnah class ships coming

I believe their are 8 in total and my understanding is that although they are frigates, they will provide a destroyer like punch
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Jinnah FFG will be PN's first major surface combatant in-house project, so expect delays in construction & milestones. PN has not revealed much information about timelines. We will have better idea about timelines, once Keel Laying ceremony for the first Jinnah ship is held. That will be the first milestone to mark official start of construction.

On number of ships, again there is no official news on quantity of Jinnah frigates. Nothing is official. IMO, it would be 2 initially. More could be later. However, PN has found a good alternate supplier for filling up numbers even with tight budget and faster timelines, that is Damen's 2600s (Yarmook batch-IIs). These are cost-effective & deliver quickly while also adding good capability. So, PN will have to evaluate if more Jinnah FFGs are feasible with then economic conditions.
 
hussain0216 said:
When are the Jinnah class ships coming

I believe their are 8 in total and my understanding is that although they are frigates, they will provide a destroyer like punch
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Hi,

We have more than enough ships in stock---. Possibly our resources of training new crew and integration are running at the maximum for now---.

Sometimes a delay is not a delay but an intentional request to slow down production to catch up in training new crews---.
 
MastanKhan said:
Hi,

To the surprise of many---thru the current acquisitions of the type 054's and the Milgems---pak navy has somehow leap frogged ahead of the indian navy in a regional conflict---.
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054A's & Milgems are capable platforms but with those 'leapfrogging' IN is an overstatement.

The PN's edge and its most lethal arm is going to be those 11 AIP enabled attack subs and not these surface ships.

MastanKhan said:
Hi,

Come down from your high horse---. I mentioned Regional---. Not all assets of IN be available in this region---.

You don't need to agree---and that is fine---. But we have achieved our first primary goal---.
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Any conflict / war between IN & PN is going to be regional anyways.

It should never be assumed that IN's assets from its eastern command will not be available against Pakistan. IN surely can bring those too and make those available. Any calculation must include whatever is available to adversary.
 
Why still no ciws at the back ? Trails should include all weapons set that Turkey 🇹🇷 has responsibility ??
Perhaps Ssm may be on PN responsibility so where is ciws ??
 
Qureshi said:
PN Fleet (Current/on active duty):

  • 04 (FFGs) - F22Ps
  • 04 (FFGs) - 054A/Ps
  • 01 (FFGs) - OHP
  • 01 (CORs) - Milgem (Commissioned but not yet joined the fleet)
  • 02 (CORs) - Damen OPV design
  • 03 (SSKs) - A90Bs (MLU-ed)
  • 07 (MPAs) - P3C Orion
  • 05 (MPAs) - RAS/ATR72
  • 03 (AORs) - Tankers/replenishment
  • 05 (MCVs) - Mine Hunters
  • 05 (CH4) - HALE drones

PN Fleet (post 2025-30):

  • 04 (FFGs) - F22Ps (will receive MLU)
  • 04 (FFGs) - 054A/Ps
  • 04 (FFGs) - Jinnah (2+2 batch, based on AS3400/3600 design)
  • 04 (CORs) - Milgem
  • 04 (CORs) - Damen OPV design
  • 03 (SSKs) - A90Bs (MLU-ed)
  • 08 (SSKs) - 039Bs
  • 07 (MPAs) - P3C Orion
  • 08 (MPAs) - RAS/Sea Eagle
  • 04 (LRMPA) - Sea Sultan (Based on lineage 1000)
  • 04 (AORs) - Tankers/replenishment
  • 05 (MCVs) - Mine Hunters
  • 05 (CH4) - HALE drones
  • 05 (TW328) - HALE drones

PN Fleet (post 2030-35):

  • 04 (FFGs) - F22Ps (MLU-ed)
  • 04 (FFGs) - 054A/Ps
  • 08 (FFGs) - Jinnah (2+6 batch, based on AS3400/3600 design)
  • 04 (CORs) - Milgem
  • 04 (CORs) - Damen OPV design
  • 03 (SSKs) - A90Bs (MLU-ed)
  • 08 (SSKs) - 039Bs
  • 06 (SSK-Ns) - Type-41/?? New upcoming Chines design
  • 08 (SSPs) - Italian Design (S800)
  • 08 (MPAs) - RAS/Sea Eagle
  • 12 (LRMPA) - Sea Sultan (Based on lineage 1000)
  • 06 (AORs) - Tankers/replenishment
  • 08 (MCVs) - Mine Hunters
  • 05 (CH4) - HALE drones
  • 05 (TW328) - HALE drones

FFGs - 16
CORv - 08
SSKs - 11
SSPs - 08
SSK(N) - 06
MPAs - 08
LRMPAs - 12
Drones - 10 (HALE)
AORs - 06
MCVs - 08

Enough for IN to keep at bay....
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Ftom the current fleet ur missing out the Agusta 70 n the Chinese sub on loan to train our crews.
Wt we r truly missing our 2-3 sqd of land based twin engine ac....like the j 35. Manned by PAF crews on deputation with PN...under PN command.
inducting the j16 at this point in time would a waste of resources.
Plus at least 2 -3 saab 2000 should be handed to the navy to cover our southern flank.....plus 3-4 tankers.
 
Still no ssm nor ciws ?
Ssm may be local ciws ??
 
Reichmarshal said:
Ftom the current fleet ur missing out the Agusta 70 n the Chinese sub on loan to train our crews.
Wt we r truly missing our 2-3 sqd of land based twin engine ac....like the j 35. Manned by PAF crews on deputation with PN...under PN command.
inducting the j16 at this point in time would a waste of resources.
Plus at least 2 -3 saab 2000 should be handed to the navy to cover our southern flank.....plus 3-4 tankers
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One question. Retired ZDK-03 may be converted to tanker/transport role?
 
Qureshi said:
PN Fleet (Current/on active duty):

  • 04 (FFGs) - F22Ps
  • 04 (FFGs) - 054A/Ps
  • 01 (FFGs) - OHP
  • 01 (CORs) - Milgem (Commissioned but not yet joined the fleet)
  • 02 (CORs) - Damen OPV design
  • 03 (SSKs) - A90Bs (MLU-ed)
  • 07 (MPAs) - P3C Orion
  • 05 (MPAs) - RAS/ATR72
  • 03 (AORs) - Tankers/replenishment
  • 05 (MCVs) - Mine Hunters
  • 05 (CH4) - HALE drones

PN Fleet (post 2025-30):

  • 04 (FFGs) - F22Ps (will receive MLU)
  • 04 (FFGs) - 054A/Ps
  • 04 (FFGs) - Jinnah (2+2 batch, based on AS3400/3600 design)
  • 04 (CORs) - Milgem
  • 04 (CORs) - Damen OPV design
  • 03 (SSKs) - A90Bs (MLU-ed)
  • 08 (SSKs) - 039Bs
  • 07 (MPAs) - P3C Orion
  • 08 (MPAs) - RAS/Sea Eagle
  • 04 (LRMPA) - Sea Sultan (Based on lineage 1000)
  • 04 (AORs) - Tankers/replenishment
  • 05 (MCVs) - Mine Hunters
  • 05 (CH4) - HALE drones
  • 05 (TW328) - HALE drones

PN Fleet (post 2030-35):

  • 04 (FFGs) - F22Ps (MLU-ed)
  • 04 (FFGs) - 054A/Ps
  • 08 (FFGs) - Jinnah (2+6 batch, based on AS3400/3600 design)
  • 04 (CORs) - Milgem
  • 04 (CORs) - Damen OPV design
  • 03 (SSKs) - A90Bs (MLU-ed)
  • 08 (SSKs) - 039Bs
  • 06 (SSK-Ns) - Type-41/?? New upcoming Chines design
  • 08 (SSPs) - Italian Design (S800)
  • 08 (MPAs) - RAS/Sea Eagle
  • 12 (LRMPA) - Sea Sultan (Based on lineage 1000)
  • 06 (AORs) - Tankers/replenishment
  • 08 (MCVs) - Mine Hunters
  • 05 (CH4) - HALE drones
  • 05 (TW328) - HALE drones

FFGs - 16
CORv - 08
SSKs - 11
SSPs - 08
SSK(N) - 06
MPAs - 08
LRMPAs - 12
Drones - 10 (HALE)
AORs - 06
MCVs - 08

Enough for IN to keep at bay....
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India’s Navy is way ahead with more ships, better tech, and floating airbases. It’s a big league game, and India is set to keep dominating the seas.
 
DDG-80 said:
India’s Navy is way ahead with more ships, better tech, and floating airbases. It’s a big league game, and India is set to keep dominating the seas.
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Okay Sir,
do You know them.
 

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