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The missile has a reported length of 10.8 m, a body diameter of 0.65 (first-stage) and 0.5 m (second-stage), and a launch weight of 2,650 kg. The missile carries a single 250 kg high-explosive warhead. A two-staged missile, the Tondar 69 has a maximum range of a 150 km and uses solid-fuel. It employs inertial navigation system (INS) guidance with command updates.7

150kms is much less than 250kms but still, for the old specifications of the missile it's a lot. That is a huge distance when you really think about it, especially for what was built as a SAM.

If the modernized version is capable of traveling for 250kms, then turning it into a surface-to-surface missile is a good option, if the cost is feasible and the logistics are determined to be appropriate. Because unlike many of the newer G2G systems, they're certainly not static and much more mobile while at the same time, their supply mechanism transports more than 1 missile at a time. At least 2 would be ideal.
 

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This picture was posted on a Russian site and labeled as a "secret radar of the Egyptian Air Defense." SC or anyone identify it?

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It is a phased array radar from what I've been able to gather.

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Indeed, Egyptian air defense enjoys operating other highly capable systems. That's why I was amazed with variety of radar systems and different missile systems that they use already. If deployed and used well, impenetrable airspace to say the least.

You are a knowledgeable user of this forum but according to my retarded information sir, S-300VM is a field protecting asset mostly aimed at defending advancing units against ballistic missile threats. Russians are not afraid of its technology leak. What I saw was that they were too sensitive on PMU family which resulted in their S-400 missile system. And what they gave to Turkey had strings attached. Russians observe NATO without them even knowing or maybe unable to do something about it being present on NATO's soil.

Sure, Egyptian military planners know their own requirement better than a forum-er with his retarded info. I hope they consider S-300 PMU too or the 400 version for their fixed point assets such as the ones you mentioned above.

Why did Egypt chose the S-300VM(4) over the S-300 PMU2​


Here is the difference between the two systems:

First of all, when talking about the the difference between the two there is a time-frame to be taken into account.. At first both of them where envisaged to maximise the use of the same parts, but then it turned out to be impossible.

- S-300V where conceived around the Army's needs and because of that got tracks to go through rough terrain. S-300 as part of territorial PVO was intended to defend cities, industrial centres and because of the linking roads S-300Ps got wheels which was a cheaper solution.

- As S-300V needed to protect Army formations against the massive ballistic and aero-ballistic targets (unlike S-300Ps at first) it turned out to be a more complex and expensive system than the S-300P..S-300V has one more radar than S-300P system (for anti-ballistic purposes)

- S-300V was from the start able to guide more missiles on more targets than S-300P. (S-300V was true 6 channel system vs S-300 4 channel)

- S-300P was at first more immune to ECM than S-300V system

- Both systems where designed with an idea to fight aerodynamic targets/cruise missiles/PGM just the same..

- S-300V needed more protection than S-300P due to the much higher minimum distance than S-300P at which he could shoot at targets..

- S-300V and all other things that accompanied it like (troops equipments, radar systems, command posts etc...) where of a much rudimentary design than those of territorial PVO
as it needed to endure much harsher conditions with minimum maintenance..

- S-300P was always, and from the start, a more independent system, because its smallest operational unit is a battery unlike a regiment for the S-300V..

- S-300P got a better command post (Senezh vs Poljana) from the start..

That was the situation then, but after the 2011 upgrades the situation is different in such a way that S-300VM became the most powerful SAM system available for export, and here is why:

- S-300VM ECM resistance was greatly increased..

- S-300VM range increased by a factor of 3.5 and is by far the SAM with the longest reach..

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- S-300VM (from Rosoboronexport) targetable RCS is 0.02 now possibly even smaller..

- S-300VM price has decreased because of the improvements in the upgrades where one specialized anti-ballistic radar (Imbir) is now not needed..

- S-300P got excellent Baikal-1ME command post but that very same command post is also under the hood of S-300VM command post, but still using the name Poljana..

- S-300P with further upgrades got the ability to engage 6 targets per battery, the ability to engage ballistic missiles, an increased engagement envelope and new missiles..


Here are some more clarifications about the two systems:

- 250km engagement range of S-300VM refers to S-300VM produced in mid-90s but S-300VM that completed testing in 2011 has 350km range (400km range for Russian A-PVO)..

- Up till the S-300PM, the S-300V had a much higher upper hand regarding to number of guided missiles on aerial targets in comparison with Almaz counterparts.. The mistake while claiming "36 for PMU2 and 24 for Antey" is made because of the organizational structure, While one regiment of S-300PM can have up to 6 S-300P batteries, S-300V regiment are made of only 4 S-300V batteries so when counting you get:

1 S-300PM regiment = 6 batteries = 6 batteries x 6 targets (each) = 36 targets

1 S-300V regiment = 4 batteries = 4 batteries x 6 targets (each) = 24 targets

So, while both of them are able to guide 12 missiles on 6 targets, Almaz regiments consist of 6 batteries where Antey's of 4. That why you get the different numbers.

- Keep in mind also that while full S-300V regiment consists of four batteries, none of which is envisaged to work alone, thus making a regiment the smallest operational unit.. (although the S-300V batteries are able to work in independent mode), So a regiment is able to guide 48 missiles on 24 targets, that is only for aerodynamic targets, for ballistic ones that number is 16, meaning each battery is able to guide 2 or more missiles in a row for each of 4 ballistic targets it is able to engage. Still it is a higher number than the equivalent S-300P ..


- Take note that while one S-300P brigade is made of 2 regiments (each consisting of up to 6 batteries), S-300V brigade is made of 3 regiments making both types of S-300 brigades in export versions and full composition, made of up to 12 batteries..

So Why S-300V and why now?

It is because of all the differences between S-300V and S-300P, S-300V remained the Worlds single mobile anti-ballistic system.. Also:

- It was more expensive than S-300P

- It was more complex and required more protection than S-300P

- Its upgrades, modernization dragged on unlike S-300P which rolled in with excellent PMU/PMU1/PMU2 upgrades

- S-300Ps command posts where better (one of the major reasons why S-300P was more ECM resistant)

- yet it remained one of the strongest assets in Russian arsenal

So what has really changed in the S-300VM capabilities?

- Basically all the things mentioned previously above in the first section, such as 3.5 times more range, lower price, much higher ECM resistance, excellent new command post, etc... but also handling of :

- Ballistic missiles that are becoming a major threat with no solution in sight

- High altitude fighter penetrations again becoming major threats

- with its massive 350km range, huge warhead and massive speed it is able to repulse and keep on distance Rivet Joint/Compass Call/ E-3 Sentry

- high altitude cruise missile penetrations

- also as a frontal army system S-300V will always be more exposed to HARM and other anti-SAM weapons which is why S-300V got solutions with more toughness in regard to HARM
and other anti-SAM weapons in comparison with S-300P line, and that is why S-300V has TELAR (Transporter Erector Launcher and Radar) relieving its shooting radar from some of the pressure and increasing their chances of survival.

- One can imagine a cooperation between the S-300VM and the MiG-35 where MiG-35 is able to launch its 200km range air-to-air missiles from a zone protected by S-300VM and that is very far (350 km), all commanded by Poljana-D4M who also commands ECM/ECCM covering up attack of the MiG-35s to the enemy AWACS..


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Radar antenna. All-around antennas for air defense complex, made by phased-suit technology, on a rotating platform


Thank you, bro. I did come across that article when I reverse-searched the photograph from the Russian website and saw that it's a phased array radar which is awesome, for sure, but it doesn't give it a name? That's what I was looking for; what is its name/designation and by whom is it built etc.
Very bizarre, isn't it?
 

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150kms is much less than 250kms but still, for the old specifications of the missile it's a lot. That is a huge distance when you really think about it, especially for what was built as a SAM.

If the modernized version is capable of traveling for 250kms, then turning it into a surface-to-surface missile is a good option, if the cost is feasible and the logistics are determined to be appropriate. Because unlike many of the newer G2G systems, they're certainly not static and much more mobile while at the same time, their supply mechanism transports more than 1 missile at a time. At least 2 would be ideal.
The Egyptian development of missiles differs from the Iranian and Chinese versions. Since the old Saqr 80 missiles, Egypt began its production versions with a range of 90 kilometers with a warhead of 200 kilometers and better accuracy than the Chinese WS-1 versions. We are talking about countries that are working on developing and not always standard versions of missiles according to the needs of each country. The Egyptian SA-2 missile exceeded a range of 79 kilometers and more, while the first versions were 34 kilometers after replacing the engine and fuel and better
 

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Thank you, bro. I did come across that article when I reverse-searched the photograph from the Russian website and saw that it's a phased array radar which is awesome, for sure, but it doesn't give it a name? That's what I was looking for; what is its name/designation and by whom is it built etc.
Very bizarre, isn't it?
Isn't it a combination of two known Russian Radars?
 

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Isn't it a combination of two known Russian Radars?

I guess it is, but for some reason they decided not to give it its own name. I don't even think they mention which specific radars where combined, just the types.

Maybe that's what makes it "secretive" according to the Russians and whomever else uses it.
 

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I know @The SC already posted lots of details on the Rezonans-NE surveillance radar, but I'll add a little more and there will probably be some repetitive information just heads up. But it's fascinating stuff for sure.

The Rezonans-NE is a very high frequency [VHF] counter-stealth early warning phased-array radar and is designed to effectively detect a wide range of current and future air targets, including low-observable cruise and ballistic missiles, hypersonic aerial vehicles, as well as stealthy ones, in severe electronic countermeasures (ECM) and clutter environment. The radar is in service with the Russian Air Force & ADS, the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force & ADS, the Algerian Air Force & ADS and the Egyptian Air Force & Air Defense Systems Network.

The radar can operate in circular scan mode or within a specified sector. In addition to peacetime tasks, it can provide early warning of an air attack and information support for air and air defence warfare operations. The Rezonans-NE includes up to four radar modules, each of which provides control in the azimuth sector of 90 degrees and can operate independently.

The radar module consists of a transmit antenna-feeder device, receive azimuth and elevation antenna-feeder devices, and a power amplifier. The radar’s data receiving and processing system provides data reception and processing in each of the four modules. Radar equipment is housed in containers. The probing signal generator and radar data receiving and processing equipment are digital and controlled by special processors. A solid power amplifier is used. The radar consisting of the four modules controls the 360-degree sector and occupies a 100 x 100 m area.

FUNCTIONS:
  • detect and track a wide range of air targets at long ranges, including small and stealthy ones;
  • automatically determine the location and motion parameters of air targets as well as classify them;
  • automatically provide designations to weapon systems;
  • generate and send information about the tracked targets for taking operational decisions;
  • analyze the ECM situation and automatically adjust to the actual ECM conditions.
The station was built using only Russian components. Resonance-N has been specially upgraded to work in arctic conditions.

The Rezonans N/NE VHF band is explicitly marketed as “Stealth Air Target Early Warning Radar.” Like the Nebo U/UE series, it takes 24 hours to deploy and is intended for static long-range air defense applications. Production quantities remain unknown at this time. Unlike the Nebo U/UE, it uses electronic beam steering techniques.

The technical capabilities of the Resonance-N radar allow it to detect targets up to 1,100 kms and issue target tracking & designations for aerodynamic air targets at ranges up to 600 km, for ballistic targets - up to 1200 km. At the same time, he discovers targets at altitudes of up to 100 km.
The radar "Resonance-N" is developed on a modular basis. This significantly reduces the cost of its production due to the subsequent assembly of special containers, in which all nodes of the station are located. In the end, this allows you to make the station quite mobile.

Ready containers from manufacturers are delivered by road, rail, water or air to the place of subsequent installation on pre-prepared foundations. If necessary, this radar can be transported very quickly and mounted in a new location. And if necessary, it is also quickly modified to build up combat capabilities by embedding similar containers from the stations of the same type.

Phased antenna array significantly expands the capabilities of the complex, and the locator can automatically exchange data with other radars. The radar station fits on a site measuring 100 by 100 meters. It controls the airspace around in a circular mode, with a 360-degree view. The station is equipped with a friend-or-foe target recognition system and can operate stably both at the lowest and highest air temperatures, with wind speeds up to 50 m / s.

At the same time, the radar is capable of tracking over 500 targets, providing early warning of an air attack and providing information about the air situation to aviation and anti-aircraft defense systems during combat operations.

A feature of the radar complex is the absence of rotating antennas, which are usually used to provide all-round visibility. Here, a circular overview is carried out using electronic means of space control. This significantly reduces the energy supply necessary for the operation of the complex, increases the resource and increases the reliability of the locator. The radar does not lose effectiveness in conditions of electronic counteraction or strong natural interference.

It is important that in the coverage area of the radar complex, all aircraft created using the technology to reduce radar visibility are visible. All this is due to the fact that the Resonance-N radar implements the principle of resonant radar to detect a wide class of air targets. The method has been worked out and tested on various mathematical models both in the field and at the test sites, where it is fully justified.

In the export version, Resonance-NE is supplied to other countries of the world. So, the Egyptian Resonance-NE radar tracks the movement of all objects in the airspace not only over Egypt, but also Israel and Syria. According to a number of sources, in 2020 Russia will begin regular deliveries of Resonance-NE to the Middle East. From the beginning of 2020, supplies of the export version of "Resonance-NE" to Egypt began. Iran and Syria are next.

This is the spec sheet released by the Egyptian Ministry of Defense.

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There are 2 Rezonance-ZE early warning & surveillance radars complexes that serve with the Egyptian Air Defense Network (EADN) and operated by 2 regiments. The 1st belongs to the 5th AD Division and the 2nd belongs to the 8th AD Division.

The 1st is in the city of Ras Ghareb in the Red Sea Governate.

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The 2nd Rezonance-NE radar is operated by the 8th division of the EADN and is located on the famous Cairo Suez Road.

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The first radar complex is connected with Beni Suef which hosts the famous Beni Suef airbase, home of the legendary 242nd EAF Tactical Fighter Wing which comprises of the 70th TFS F-16C/D squadron & the 23sq Mi-17 Tactical & Transport Helicopter Squadron. Both legendary in the War of Attrition from 1967-1970 and the 6th October Ramadan War of 1973.

The 2nd Radar Regiment I believe is connected with Gianaclis & Hurghada Air Bases, the latter used to be home of the F-7 AIRGUARDs squadrons, not sure if they've been retired and replaced by the MiG-29M/M2, but the former (Gianaclis) is home to the 272 Tactical Fighter Wing which houses the 75th TFS (F-16C/D) squadron and the 77th TFS (F-16C/D).

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Back in early 2020 when these 2 Rezonance-NE radars were introduced in Egypt and published, there was also news that the EADN was very interested in a 3r Resonance-NE complex to set up in the western desert for the northwest & west territories that encompass the Mediterranean coast and all points west into and beyond the Libyan border. So far there is no published information as to the presence of this 3rd radar.

This is the strategic command & control center located at the immense Bernice Military Base in the south-eastern part of Egypt near the Red Sea where all the aerial traffic of either designation, military or civilian is tracked for its location and movement (vectors) and its position is displayed on the far right screen 24 hrs./day 365/yr.

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Air Defense “Flames of the Sky“



It's come a long way and certainly moving in the right direction with the choice of new, existing and revamped systems. They're on the right track which looks good. That's not to say it started out as ineffective or mediocre. It's quite the opposite in that when the EAD branch was initiated in 1968, it came in with a bang, and has been on a steady & consistent improvement ever since as we can clearly see.

The introduction of that video was pretty interesting. 326 Israeli aircraft shot down during the War of Attrition from February 1st, 1968, to August 22nd, 1970.

The record also shows that 22 of those 326 zionist jets were shot down in a single day, June-30th, 1970 of which were a combination of F-4 Phantom IIs and A-4 Skyhawks. Out of those were 22 zionist pilots captured. That leaves only guesses for possibly KIAs but hard to speculate an accurate number for that statistic.

That said, the period reflected in those years meant that the losses for the zionist air force shot by Egyptian SAMs only were a combination of F-4 Phantom IIs, A-4 Skyhawks, Mystere IVs, Super Mystere IVs, Ouragans, Vautours and Fouga Magisters.

And if 22 pilots were captured in one day only, one can only imagine what the total number of captured during the entire 3 years of the WoA and especially the number of zionist pilots KIA. If we were to guess a reasonable number and say out of the 326 aircraft shot down, 50 were 2-seater Phantoms? That's reasonable, right? Might even be low actually but let's go with that so it doesn't seem like we're exaggerating anything. So 50 X 2 = 100 and the remaining 276 plains were single seats making 276 + 100 means the zionist lost roughly 376 pilots in that short span of 3 years. That doesn't even include the 195 aircraft losses during the October war.

Funny, though, how you don't hear much about that brutal onslaught in much of the documentaries, isn't it?

That is a rather significant loss of skilled & valuable assets to the zionist air force. Something also not typically accounted for in historical publications.

All you hear about is the Israeli prowess of 6 days where they actually committed horrific crimes and stole land that didn't belong to them under the FALSE pretense of some phantom, non-existent false flag existential threat. So not only was the crime of 1967 never really exposed for what it really was, an illegally attempted theft of land and a major crime, but the ensuing pounding the Israeli air force took is something strongly avoided by all mainstream history publications.

Good thing we have lots of new venues to expose the truths of what actually happened.

The other interesting part of the war of attrition is the toll of the Egyptian Air Defense and how it severely impacted the zionist air force is that because the toll was so high in aircraft shot down -- not including the ones shot down in air to air battles -- took a huge toll on the zionist and forced them to agree to the cease fire brokered by the United States. The War of Attrition was clearly a monumentally successful victory for the Egyptian Military.

Another interesting element to the WoA was the infamous Russian pilots being shot down by the zionist and the bragging by the latter of that lopsided air battle, but also the shaming of the Russian arrogance towards the Egyptian military and specifically Egyptian pilots. This has extenuating conditions considering the way the Russians flaunted the North Vietnamese & Vietcong for not only their SAM AD success in the Vietnam war, but also the NV air force's success with shooting down US F-4 Phantoms & Skyhawks but never giving the EAD or EAF its due. I always thought that was very disappointing behavior by the Russians.

I have my reasons for why the Russians never really flaunted Egyptian successes like they did Vietnamese ones but the most evident one was towards the end of the war of attrition, the EAF got together with Russian air force personnel to discuss some of the major issues the Egyptian pilots were having with the MiG-21 and perhaps the approach from the Egyptian delegation wasn't the most tactful which resulted in what happened next, but still, these were important issues that the Soviets seemed to brush aside and not take much thought to them until they themselves got punched in the face, unexpectedly.

The problem was with the drawbacks of the MiG-21. Egyptian pilots complained about several issues. One of the main ones was the distribution of fuel in the fuel tanks was awful. Most of the times when the initially full MiG-21 would use up about 1/3 of its fuel (which was rather quickly since another drawback was both Tumansky engines of the MiG-21, the R-11 and later modified R-25 were gas-guzzling behemoths so they would use up the stored fuel expeditiously fast resulting the sudden & drastic emptying of certain fuel tanks in the aircraft which because of the not so well distribution of the tanks & fuel, it would result in drastic center of gravity shifts within the aircraft which made flying and controlling the MiG-21 even more challenging, especially in dogfighting. That was one of the major complaints. Soviets didn't appreciate that.
The other was the more well-known issue with the MiG-21 and that was the bleeding of energy coming out of tight turns and Egyptian pilots were looking for a way to avoid that from happening since it resulted many times in the loss of a dogfight. So Egyptian pilots complained that perhaps the MiG-21 wasn't really a capable dogfighter (at least compared to the F-4 Phantom and possibly the Mirage 5 or "Nesher" later in the October war) because of that energy bleed but also because of how it needed to maintain a high airspeed at all times and essentially was a bad, low-speed aircraft. It was mostly designed to be an interceptor, to fly straight and fast, intercept a target, shoot it down from a relatively safe distance and return to base. But to merge into a fight, circle, evade and chase was a whole other ballgame, and the Soviets did not appreciate that criticism either, despite how constructive it was.

So, they blamed the Egyptian pilots and claimed the failures of going up against the zionist F-4 pilots and losing most of the battles was due to the Egyptian pilots' lack of training and basically bad piloting skills. Of course, Egyptian pilots weren't too happy about that accusations and said something to the effect of the same thing would happen if Russian pilots were flying these aircraft because there's only so much the MiG-21 can do and dogfighting was not one of its strong suits. A daring challenge was taken up between EAF and Soviet pilots to see if they would fare any better and much to the Soviets' dismay, one of the final aerial skirmishes involved 5 Russian MiG-21 pilots going up against zionist F-4 Phantoms and all 5 Russians were shot down to no zionist losses. That was a humiliating lesson for the Russians who basically tucked their tails and took a walk of shame, while EAF pilots did gloat with "we told you so, next time listen to us and take us seriously."

That then led to disbanding of Soviet tactics and a lot of in-training by the EAF which also led to the continued disassociation with Russian training methods & tactics and soon a conversion to a combination of western, eastern and own form of aerial combat methods.
 

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The role of the Egyptian Air Defense Force in the victory over Israel

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The Air Defense Force was established on June 30, 1970, when Egypt completed the construction of the “missile wall,” which turned into a trap for Israeli aircraft in the October 6, 1973 war.


Since then, Egypt has continued to develop air defense weapons and systems until it has become one of the most powerful and complex air defense weapons in the world when it comes to the enemy trying to find loopholes to penetrate it, regardless of its offensive capabilities.

Although the core of the Egyptian Air Defense Force relied on Soviet weapons when the “Missile Wall” was established, the Egyptian Air Defense Force currently possesses Western, Russian, and Chinese weapons and is developing different types of weapons locally.

Egypt has an integrated air defense system that includes reconnaissance and warning elements such as early warning aircraft, airborne radars, ground radars, and air surveillance elements in order to confront these hostilities.

Also, the Egyptian Air Defense Forces have positive elements that include fighters, missiles, anti-aircraft artillery, and shoulder-fired missiles to provide air defense for the main assemblies of field armies and vital targets in the country.

The largest missile shield in the world

In the October 6 War, 1973, the Egyptian army was able to neutralize the Israeli air force with a huge amount of Russian “SAM” missiles, which it had amassed on the western bank of the Suez Canal before the outbreak of the war, as they were among the latest anti-aircraft (surface-to-air) missile systems at that moment.

The Egyptian army confronted Israeli warplanes and prevented them from carrying out attacks against the Egyptian ground forces, as they crossed the Suez Canal in the first days of the war, according to the American “Global Security” website, which stated that the total number of “SAM” missiles launched by the Egyptian and Syrian armies during three Days of the October War exceeded a thousand missiles.

According to the site, the mobilization of “SAM” anti-aircraft missiles in Egypt and Syria during that war was unprecedented, noting that on October 10, the first batch of Soviet supplies arrived, which included ammunition for “SAM” missile batteries, and spare parts for them, and in October 14, the Egyptian army moved about 7 “SAM-6” missile batteries, and 8 other “surface-to-air” missile batteries, through the Suez Canal, to provide air cover for a greater distance inside Sinai, to protect the attacking ground forces, while developing the attack.

The importance of the air defense force in wars

Any ground forces need air cover from portable and fixed anti-aircraft missile systems, so that they are not easily targeted from the air by enemy warplanes as they advance on the battlefields.

The Commander of the Egyptian Air Defense Forces praised his forces’ “modern and integrated technological capabilities to protect Egypt’s skies and secure its airspace within the integrated combat system of the armed forces, and the efficiency in training enjoyed by air defense men, generation after generation, and the ability to develop methods of using weapons and equipment.”
 

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Electromagnetic Pulse defense technologies

The EDE-100A system has been designed and manufactured by the Benha company for Electronic Industries, under the auspices of the National Authority for Military Production, and is integrated into the Temsah-3 vehicle (Picture source: Army Recognition)

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In terms of technical specifications, the EDE-100A operates with a main power supply of 220 V/50 Hz. It has an angular range reflector with an elevation of -10° to +45° and an azimuth of 360°. The field strength is 265 KV/m, and the antenna gain is 6.5 dBi. The system has a repetition rate of 2 Hz and an effective range of less than 100 meters, making it effective against a wide range of quad UAVs.



 

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