Five decades after Pakistan’s recognition of Bangladesh

[BobBiswas]

This thread is nuts, Bangladesh faces no existential threat from India today, most people have not clue about the actual regional security arrangement here. There is no credible indicator to suggest Republic of India in short to medium term has any Strategic ambition to carry out a full scale/partial invasion of Bangladesh.

Regardless of this, whatever you think of Hindutva ideology and the threat they pose, this is a simple cost benefit analysis.

*India has two nuclear amred adversary on its Western and Nothern border with massive conventional armed forces who has claims on Indian controlled territory, and both adversaries never stoped actively persuing their claims.

*While BD is small country it is actually quite big population-wise. It has the demographic depth. And it's terrain is not armored and mchanzied friendly at all.

*Indian army has around 38x divisons. While it faces around 20 PAK army divisons on its Westeen border. it also faces PLA Western command on its entire North. it is a big stretch to think Indian army can spare roughly one third of its fighting power (13x divisons) for a 'special military operation' type adventure in BD against 10x Divisons size BD army.

*Last but not the least, today the offense/defence balance has shifted dramatically in favour of defence from what it was 50 years ago. People who are actually familiar with contemporary military literature knows what I am talking about.

I tried explaining it but its impossible.

India has pretty decent relationship with Bangladesh and its rulers and there is nothing to be gained by messing that up. Infact a friendly Bangladesh helps it to mitigate its geographical vulnerability. But then, there are those who believe that they will be able to establish some kind of Pakistan Bangladesh allied forces, against India. Oh well, wishes are free.

 

[PK784]

BD has moved on from this and an apology would be appreciated from Pakistan government in order to make a complete break from the past, and a gesture of friendship from the stronger party of the time who should have been more restrained.

Like it or not, after the generation that have memories from 1971 have died off and/or retired, then relations between BD and Pakistan will get much warmer as we will be then into a truly multi-polar world and Muslim countries look to form their own economic and military alliance.

But Musharraf had already tendered the apology during his visit to BD in July 2002.

 

[BobBiswas]

BD will not become hostile to India for no good reason but please be aware that there is a special bond between Pakistan and BD due to Islam that can never be broken.

@Joe Shearer - Modi never misses an opportunity to suck up to the west and the zionists. That is why India would not be seen as a trusted partner for other "Global South" nations.

Modi sucks up to anyone that can provide benefit to India or at worst Indian business class. Whats wrong in it? I mean think about it, is Bangladesh ready to completely give up its trade relationship with USA now that US has been arming Israel knowingly that Israel is using same arms to bomb and destroy all of Gaza to dust?

All nations are very selfish and that is by their nature. They need to look after their own people.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Zafar's sons were all killed.

But the Mughal family continued via lesser bloodlines. The title of Mughal king is held by a Kolkata slum-dweller. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/30/heir-mughal-empire-demands-india-return-red-fort

It highlights why dynastic politics are a dead end - they have not managed to make it out of their slums. Dont seem very bright.

 

[BobBiswas]

It highlights why dynastic politics are a dead end - they have not managed to make it out of their slums. Dont seem very bright.

Depends on societies. Japanese learnt to adapt with time or rather were forced to adapt. Sub continent did not.

 

[Ali_Baba]

ok, so number of Bangla women raped would be slightly lesser.

The fact that Pakistan has not even bothered to apologise to BD show what exactly they think of the "kaale chhote" bangali. They consider Bangla men to be weak and effeminate. The racism runs deep.

No - they dont them to be weak or effeminate..

What is required from both sides is honesty. From Pakistan, that it's actions led to the scenario's that caused the civil war in the first place, fundamentally its failure to respect the foundations of democracy and the peoples voice( a problem that is seems still exists in 2024 for Pakistan !!!). And from Bangladesh, that the numbers that were killed in this unfortunate war are not the millions that they claim.

 

[UKBengali]

I tried explaining it but its impossible.

India has pretty decent relationship with Bangladesh and its rulers and there is nothing to be gained by messing that up. Infact a friendly Bangladesh helps it to mitigate its geographical vulnerability. But then, there are those who believe that they will be able to establish some kind of Pakistan Bangladesh allied forces, against India. Oh well, wishes are free.

BD will always try to have good relations with India.

It’s relations with China and Pakistan are not at the expense of India.

India needs to chill out as the vast majority of BD’shis value the close trading relationship with India.

It is no exaggeration to say that a poor BD-Indian relationship would put the brakes on BD’s fast economic growth.

 

[UKBengali]

No - they dont them to be weak or effeminate..

What is required from both sides is honesty. From Pakistan, that it's actions led to the scenario's that caused the civil war in the first place, fundamentally its failure to respect the foundations of democracy and the peoples voice( a problem that is seems still exists in 2024 for Pakistan !!!). And from Bangladesh, that the numbers that were killed in this unfortunate war are not the millions that they claim.

Mujib said 300,000 died in all sides and this was mistranslated to 3 million, and so those with an agenda then ran with this vastly inflated number.

 

[GatlingGun]

LOL raping millions of Bangladeshi women is just a blatant lies. There could be some rape happening but I doubt it was executed massively, just individuals who did that if it did happen.

Unlikely Muslim Pakistani soldiers rape Bangladeshi women in mass rape like that since they know it is big sin for them in Islam and can get them entering Hell.

Pakistani newspaper

Pakistani General wanted to change Bangladeshi race through RAPE .

‘Genetic engineering’ in East Pakistan | The Express Tribune

General Niazi threatened that he would let his soldiers loose on Bengali womenfolk.

tribune.com.pk

Pakistan’s name has been blackened by just one man: General AAK ‘Tiger’ Niazi. According to a new book by Oxford University Press, he is supposed to have pronounced the words that even Genghis Khan would have hesitated to use: that he would let loose his soldiers on the women of East Pakistan till the lineage/ethnicity of the Bengali race was changed.

 

[BananaRepublic]

No - they dont them to be weak or effeminate..

What is required from both sides is honesty. From Pakistan, that it's actions led to the scenario's that caused the civil war in the first place, fundamentally its failure to respect the foundations of democracy and the peoples voice( a problem that is seems still exists in 2024 for Pakistan !!!). And from Bangladesh, that the numbers that were killed in this unfortunate war are not the millions that they claim.

Dude! No one in Bangladesh believes millions died.

Maybe 30,000.

Look at the reception pak cricket team gets in BD.

Ask Imran Khan!

 

[Afif]

Maybe 30,000.

Wrong, it is around 300k.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Mujib said 300,000 died in all sides and this was mistranslated to 3 million, and so those with an agenda then ran with this vastly inflated number.

many more brits died at the hands of Germans but they are now close allies.

Compared to that pak snd bd was chicken feed.

Move on!

We have a common enemy to tame!!!

 

[BananaRepublic]

Wrong, it is around 300k.

For me to believe 300k - you have to give me names.

 

[Afif]

For me to believe 300k - you have to give me names.

It is not my job to convince you of anything.

many more brits died at the hands of Germans but they are now close allies.

Compared to that pak snd bd was chicken feed.

Move on!

We have a common enemy to tame!!!

Nope we don't.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Mujib said 300,000 died in all sides and this was mistranslated to 3 million, and so those with an agenda then ran with this vastly inflated number.

That figure of 3 million has so polluted this tragedy in the telling. The BD government should come out with a strong and definitive statement squashing that ridiculous figure.

We should all ourselves also repel exaggerations. That even one of them was raped is a crime against humanity. That three lakhs, perhaps, were raped is unbearable. At least, however, let us speak of stark reality.