HAL LCA Tejas: Updates, News & Discussions

[MirageBlue]

Don’t even know the name of IA’s and IAF’s network, or how they achieved it.

But yeah commenting on it with such confidence.

It's ok. Let them believe what they want to believe. You won't gain anything by trying to convince those who have made up their mind.

 

[Michael]

In terms of fighter formation communications, it is called "机间数据链" in Chinese. The U.S. military calls it IFDL. At the same time, the US military uses TTNT to achieve communication between fighters, early warning aircraft, warships and other different equipment.

These are all data links at the tactical level. It can achieve safe and stable data transmission with low latency and high speed. But they have a shorter transmission distance.

NATO uses Link 16/22 for wider data links. They are like the difference between a LAN and the internet.

Military communications and civilian communications, the underlying communication logic is completely identical. There are very big differences between them in terms of data encryption, anti-interference ability, data stability and other applications. A few decades ago, military communications were completely ahead of civilian communications, and now they are integrated with each other, and in the future civilian communications will be ahead of military communications.

The U.S. military began to cooperate with Starlink. Huawei communicates with high-orbit satellites on mobile phones and long-distance underwater communications.............. These are examples of how civilian communications technology is increasingly leading military communications.

The development of technology requires not only talents, but also a platform for development. These advanced communication theories and technologies require a large enough platform to verify and promote. It makes no sense to just stay in the theoretical stage and in the laboratory. Some developed countries in Europe have very good communication technology talents, however, their countries cannot provide a platform for them to play.

When it comes to military communications technology, it is highly classified by various countries. They do not easily open up data communication protocols and data communication interfaces. When they sell weapons, they only open up some data communication interfaces to a limited extent, and when they use these data communication interfaces to communicate with other weapon systems, they cannot fully exploit the capabilities of these weapons.

With years of in-depth research on the Sukhoi system, China was able to crack the Su-35's communication system and achieve complete data communication between the Su-35 and other Chinese fighters. This provoked protests from Sukhoi, which, of course, were private.

I'm sure my friends in India will have some difficulty accepting it.

We can observe when India will achieve "A shooting, B guidance" between LCA and Rafale. When India announced the news, we believed India had TTNT-like capabilities. If it's just some analytical article in the form of slogans, it doesn't make any sense.

 

[Magadh]

In terms of fighter formation communications, it is called "机间数据链" in Chinese. The U.S. military calls it IFDL. At the same time, the US military uses TTNT to achieve communication between fighters, early warning aircraft, warships and other different equipment.

These are all data links at the tactical level. It can achieve safe and stable data transmission with low latency and high speed. But they have a shorter transmission distance.

NATO uses Link 16/22 for wider data links. They are like the difference between a LAN and the internet.

Military communications and civilian communications, the underlying communication logic is completely identical. There are very big differences between them in terms of data encryption, anti-interference ability, data stability and other applications. A few decades ago, military communications were completely ahead of civilian communications, and now they are integrated with each other, and in the future civilian communications will be ahead of military communications.

The U.S. military began to cooperate with Starlink. Huawei communicates with high-orbit satellites on mobile phones and long-distance underwater communications.............. These are examples of how civilian communications technology is increasingly leading military communications.

The development of technology requires not only talents, but also a platform for development. These advanced communication theories and technologies require a large enough platform to verify and promote. It makes no sense to just stay in the theoretical stage and in the laboratory. Some developed countries in Europe have very good communication technology talents, however, their countries cannot provide a platform for them to play.

When it comes to military communications technology, it is highly classified by various countries. They do not easily open up data communication protocols and data communication interfaces. When they sell weapons, they only open up some data communication interfaces to a limited extent, and when they use these data communication interfaces to communicate with other weapon systems, they cannot fully exploit the capabilities of these weapons.

With years of in-depth research on the Sukhoi system, China was able to crack the Su-35's communication system and achieve complete data communication between the Su-35 and other Chinese fighters. This provoked protests from Sukhoi, which, of course, were private.

I'm sure my friends in India will have some difficulty accepting it.

We can observe when India will achieve "A shooting, B guidance" between LCA and Rafale. When India announced the news, we believed India had TTNT-like capabilities. If it's just some analytical article in the form of slogans, it doesn't make any sense.

Data communication between fighter jets has been a capability of Indian Air Force for a long time, but this particular exercise has garnered attention because it was achieved through encrypted data transfer between the jets, making it resistant to jamming, which is why it has been in the news.

 

[Magadh]

@DDG-80 @silicon0000 @Deino @MirageBlue @Michael @harpy1 @Circadian Rhythm

Indian Navy Drop Plans for Integrating DRDO’s Experimental AESA Radar on Rafale-M Fighters – Indian Defence Research Wing​

idrw.org
The decision comes after assessing that the cost of integrating a new radar system onto the Rafale-M would be prohibitively expensive and could result in further delays to the project.

It appears that France is reluctant to integrate India's UTTAM radar into the Rafale jets, preferring to sell their own radar systems to maximize profits. The Indian-made GaN-based UTTAM AESA radar would have significantly enhanced the Rafale’s capabilities for both the Indian Navy and Air Force. Not only is the UTTAM radar more powerful and resistant to jamming, but with Indian radar and mission computer integration, Rafales would also be capable of deploying a broader range of weapons, including those from India, Israel, and Russia.

 

[Circadian Rhythm]

@DDG-80 @silicon0000 @Deino @MirageBlue @Michael @harpy1 @Circadian Rhythm

Indian Navy Drop Plans for Integrating DRDO’s Experimental AESA Radar on Rafale-M Fighters – Indian Defence Research Wing​

idrw.org
The decision comes after assessing that the cost of integrating a new radar system onto the Rafale-M would be prohibitively expensive and could result in further delays to the project.

It appears that France is reluctant to integrate India's UTTAM radar into the Rafale jets, preferring to sell their own radar systems to maximize profits. The Indian-made GaN-based UTTAM AESA radar would have significantly enhanced the Rafale’s capabilities for both the Indian Navy and Air Force. Not only is the UTTAM radar more powerful and resistant to jamming, but with Indian radar and mission computer integration, Rafales would also be capable of deploying a broader range of weapons, including those from India, Israel, and Russia.

It is because of Cost and Time
Delays because Certification takes a lot of time

Su 30 will soon have Uttam AESA

We will have to wait for some years to see Uttam in our Own Tejas and later TEDBF

 

[silicon0000]

@DDG-80 @silicon0000 @Deino @MirageBlue @Michael @harpy1 @Circadian Rhythm

Indian Navy Drop Plans for Integrating DRDO’s Experimental AESA Radar on Rafale-M Fighters – Indian Defence Research Wing​

idrw.org
The decision comes after assessing that the cost of integrating a new radar system onto the Rafale-M would be prohibitively expensive and could result in further delays to the project.

It appears that France is reluctant to integrate India's UTTAM radar into the Rafale jets, preferring to sell their own radar systems to maximize profits. The Indian-made GaN-based UTTAM AESA radar would have significantly enhanced the Rafale’s capabilities for both the Indian Navy and Air Force. Not only is the UTTAM radar more powerful and resistant to jamming, but with Indian radar and mission computer integration, Rafales would also be capable of deploying a broader range of weapons, including those from India, Israel, and Russia.

Don't think radar as radar only, with Local Made Radar, Rafale need to integrate it with all the system linked with Radar which is not a small task and require lots of time to recertify every related system plus it would give India too much autonomy over aircraft up-gradation which is cash cow for French and they won't do it cheap. So in my view what Indian Navy did is more logical and seems right decision but as we don't have actual exposure to the actual ground realities so our thinking should be considered superficial.

(On the side note i personally (considering like a neutral person) have much more trust on Indian Navy Analysis and decisions than HAL and Indian Air Force, they are doing good till now so what they decided is probably right.)

 

[silicon0000]

It is because of Cost and Time
Delays because Certification takes a lot of time

Su 30 will soon have Uttam AESA

We will have to wait for some years to see Uttam in our Own Tejas and later TEDBF

I don't know why but somewhere my mind says TEDBF is a lolly-pop Indian navy has given to HAL to keep them busy & away and doing what they seems right as and when they want. Just a feeling, not a conclusion.

 

[onlinpunit]

I don't know why but somewhere my mind says TEDBF is a lolly-pop Indian navy has given to HAL to keep them busy & away and doing what they seems right as and when they want. Just a feeling, not a conclusion.

You are not incorrect.

 

[Michael]

The decision comes after assessing that the cost of integrating a new radar system onto the Rafale-M would be prohibitively expensive and could result in further delays to the project.

It appears that France is reluctant to integrate India's UTTAM radar into the Rafale jets, preferring to sell their own radar systems to maximize profits. The Indian-made GaN-based UTTAM AESA radar would have significantly enhanced the Rafale’s capabilities for both the Indian Navy and Air Force. Not only is the UTTAM radar more powerful and resistant to jamming, but with Indian radar and mission computer integration, Rafales would also be capable of deploying a broader range of weapons, including those from India, Israel, and Russia.

This is a normal news. What would you like us to discuss?

 

[Circadian Rhythm]

I don't know why but somewhere my mind says TEDBF is a lolly-pop Indian navy has given to HAL to keep them busy & away and doing what they seems right as and when they want. Just a feeling, not a conclusion.

@onlinpunit


TEDBF is AMCA without Internal Weapon Bays

We have had a Single Engined LCA Navy which has successfully taken off from Our Carriers and carried out Arrested Landing

This programme was taken up specifically to gather data and experience

The under carriage of an Aircraft carrier Deck Based fighter is a Major problem

All that experience will come in handy for TEDBF

DRDO's experience in the case of closed programmes comes in Handy for another programme , after a few years

For example Zorawar light rank gained from Arjun Tank experience

Nag ATGM helped in MPATGM.

Trishul SAM helped in Akash SAM.

LCA navy will pave the Way for TEDBF

 

[Magadh]

I don’t think France will agree to the integration of Astra, BrahMos, or any other Indian weapons on Rafale. This makes Tejas even more important for IAF, as it is the only modern fighter jet in IAF inventory capable of deploying Indian, Russian, and Israeli weapons.

 

[Circadian Rhythm]

I don’t think France will agree to the integration of Astra, BrahMos, or any other Indian weapons on Rafale. This makes Tejas even more important for IAF, as it is the only modern fighter jet in IAF inventory capable of deploying Indian, Russian, and Israeli weapons.

This is the capability that we need ,.to saturate enemy air defenses

Mk 1 and Mk 2 are completed

https://twitter.com/x/status/1832781382734737910

 

[harpy1]

Amca like now
We need 500 asap

 

[silicon0000]

Amca like now
We need 500 asap

Why Not Tejas MK1A than MK2 and then AMCA? Indian SU30 can detect J20 from far away and Pakistan don't have money to buy J31/35 and which is not coming before 2032-35 and Chinese jets are junk and inferior to MK1A so what's the hurry and why 500 and why ASAP?

 

[Magadh]

Why Not Tejas MK1A than MK2 and then AMCA? Indian SU30 can detect J20 from far away and Pakistan don't have money to buy J31/35 and which is not coming before 2032-35 and Chinese jets are junk and inferior to MK1A so what's the hurry and why 500 and why ASAP?

We can only discuss J-31 once it enters service. Both the Rafale and Tejas are already operational with Indian Air Force, J-31 is not yet in service with either Pakistan Air Force or the Chinese Air Force.