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[DDG-80]

You did not at all forced India to surrender an area the size of Austria.... stop lying as I have already exposed you on this....
How can you force India to surrender something which India was not controlling from the beginning??

Kashmir was a state independent like Nepal and when your chappal wearing pathans attacked after that only king Hari Singh realized the danger and invited India to interfere and we drove you out right from the outskirts of srinagar but idiot Nehru ruined everything by approaching UN..... so stop spreading this false propaganda....

@DDG-80

I'm done dealing with him. He knows the truth, but his pathetic ego won't let him accept it.

'History in Pakistan has been badly treated'

People are unaware of this fact because the history that is taught in Pakistan is from an ideological viewpoint.

www.dawn.com

 

[Falcon26]

India doesn’t have a “two-front trap.” India has a two-front delusion. India should quit harboring delusions that it can challenge China and all its stress will go away.

 

[Nilgiri]

take the off topic rants/garbage about complexes to another thread like "whatever". Persistent offtopic derailers will accumulate warning points and then bans.

 

[vkdindian]

Two front has always existed for India. Even at those times when Paksiatn was much more capable economically and better position to wage a war on us. Did it not try? What was 1965 and 1999? We know the results. What new has happened?

On the contrary, China is very smart. They would never get into direct major conflict with India. They have the option of keeping Paksiatn a credible threat by supplying them with arms. And they have been doing that. The entire lineup of major weapon acquisitions for Paksiatn are from China. That can keep India on its toes.

Moreover, any major attack on India from two fronts is likely to invite massive retaliation from US and allies. Reason? They wouldn’t want China to create compete hegemony in this reason. It is already much more powerful and is well accepted. But it is all on papers and it’s implementation on ground would create a different dynamics, not likely to be accepted by the US and the allies.

Such an attack has a nuclear angle too.

So, the two fronts are likely to remain as they were for last many decades. Would that lead to a two front war? Unlikely.

 

[arjunk]

Two front has always existed for India. Even at those times when Paksiatn was much more capable economically and better position to wage a war on us. Did it not try?

China of 1965-1990s was a poverty stricken country, more or less on the same level of India. China today is set to become the world's next superpower, while Indians starve more than sub saharan africans.

Forget two front, even a one front war with China will be a disaster for India. Don't believe me? When China marched into Indian held territory in Ladakh, Even your chest thumping, war mongering Hindu nationalist BJP did not dare utter China's name - instead, they quietly gave up over a thousands square kilometers of territory.

What was 1965

China offered to intervene on behalf of Pakistan. However, this would result in a long war and risked too much economic damage to Pakistan. Thus, the offer was refused.

1965 was not supposed to be a long war, but a swift Pakistani military victory in Kashmir followed by international diplomacy - the same model used to take some 900 square miles of Indian territory in Kutch.

and 1999? We know the results. What new has happened?

In 1999 Musharraf unilaterally launched a covert operation and unilaterally withdrew under American pressure. If a rogue Chinese general conducted such a covert operation while China was under sanction following WMD tests, it is unlikely Pakistan would join in either.

However, that was 25 years ago. China of the 2020s has shown it will not hesitate to march into Indian territory to safeguard mutual interests in Pakistan.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

India doesn’t have a “two-front trap.” India has a two-front delusion. India should quit harboring delusions that it can challenge China and all its stress will go away.

Who is talking about challenging China. Why should India challenge someone thousands of miles away. Tibet is mostly barren we are not going to climb up the Himalayas to challenge China nor the Chinese are going to climb down into the uncertain jungles of North East. Low level skirmishes are going to continue until a permanent solution to the border is found.

 

[vkdindian]

China today is set to become the world's next superpower, while Indians starve more than sub saharan africans.

I have accepted that fact and also touched upon it a little.

Forget two front, even a one front war with China will be a disaster for India. Don't believe me?

I believe you.

1965 was not supposed to be a long war

How did it turn out?

If a rogue Chinese general conducted such a covert operation

Rogue Generals exist in nations with dubious and ineffective governance. That sets apart China from Paksiatn. Why China didn’t support is immaterial. It didn’t support is what the fact is.

China of the 2020s has shown it will not hesitate to march into Indian territory to safeguard mutual interests in Pakistan.

I disagree with this assessment.
China has grown much bigger than what India has. But India isn’t something over whom China can just walk over. I am sure that you would quote some incident and claim otherwise. Go ahead. In a full fledged war India has adequate capability to hold off China and can inflict some heavy damage, that China wouldn’t want or get into.
That’s why China wouldn’t get into such a situation to start with.
More over, geopolitics have changed in the last few decades. India has the kind of international support that can keep China at bay. Ukraine vs Russia might give you some idea. And India is no Ukraine here.

Anyways, you are free to have an opposite opinion.

 

[Falcon26]

Who is talking about challenging China. Why should India challenge someone thousands of miles away. Tibet is mostly barren we are not going to climb up the Himalayas to challenge China nor the Chinese are going to climb down into the uncertain jungles of North East. Low level skirmishes are going to continue until a permanent solution to the border is found.

Share this with the Hindu nationalists who are auditioning to be the West’s attack dog against China. Although China ignores and dismisses India as a serious threat, this doesn’t stop the Indian national security community from obsessing with defeating China.

 

[DDG-80]

Share this with the Hindu nationalists who are auditioning to be the West’s attack dog against China. Although China ignores and dismisses India as a serious threat, this doesn’t stop the Indian national security community from obsessing with defeating China.

From rand.org

 

[Vikramaditya1]

Share this with the Hindu nationalists who are auditioning to be the West’s attack dog against China. Although China ignores and dismisses India as a serious threat, this doesn’t stop the Indian national security community from obsessing with defeating China.

Wrong assertion. China demands we give up land for them, they have disputes around their country and takes hostile actions thinking they can get their way. What has Hindu Nationalism got to do with this? It's like a header to every comment these days, regardless of who is in power the actions of the government in the realm of foreign policy is the same.

 

[Barcid]

Two front war is not needed. Pakistan doesn’t need help of uyghur abusing chinese kafirs against India.

 

[agidest]

India doesn’t have a “two-front trap.” India has a two-front delusion. India should quit harboring delusions that it can challenge China and all its stress will go away.

We can manage our affairs, don't need Pakistani origin folks pontificating on how to run foreign affairs.

 

[Falcon26]

We can manage our affairs, don't need Pakistani origin folks pontificating on how to run foreign affairs.

If you don’t wanna hear Pakistani POV, quit lurking on Pakistani forums.

Ps

I am not Pakistani or even of a south Asian origin, but I can see why your paranoia will lead you to such a conclusion .

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Can India sustain a two-front scenario?
The answer is a big NO, unless the entire West and Japan come to its rescue.

Modi very wisely kept silent during the Ladakh fiasco and did not provoke the dragon. Meanwhile, India has meticulously engaged Pakistan via its proxies in Afghanistan and kept us at bay. Our political chaos and economic vulnerability haven't helped either. Our calculations on the Taliban takeover have backfired. Saying that China and Turkey have been arming us to the teeth in recent years. Pakistan is today militarily better equipped than it was a few years ago. All we need now is our economy to fire, the nation to unite and the Afghans to come in line. This may take a little while, till then the Indians can sleep in peace.

 

[agidest]

If you don’t wanna hear Pakistani POV, quit lurking on Pakistani forums.

Ps

I am not Pakistani or even of a south Asian origin, but I can see why your paranoia will lead you to such a conclusion .

Important to know what the enemy does and thinks like. That's why we're on this forum.

What's absurd is having these Pakistanis or their sympathisers with a barely functioning country pontificating on how India should act.