Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Watandar]

Unfortunately, the signs are looking pretty ominous for Iran. I don’t think Iran can be militarily defeated by the US/Israel. Any overthrow of the regime will have to come from within Iran.

But it also seems like the US/Israel will go to any lengths to overthrow the Iranian regime.

Part of their playbook seems to be to use on-off military operations to enforce a strangling economic blockade of Iran. Disenfranchise Iran from its neighbors, basically not have anyone deal with Iran.

After the whole Spain’s Ceuta debacle, looking at how most of the EU was willing to throw them under the bus, and China not stepping up to confront the US’s hegemony in the region (in light of the Iran war); I am apprehensive that Iran will be left isolated.

An isolated Iran will be an Iran that is strangulated economically, and that is the biggest danger for Iran.

Iran can cause its neighbors and even Europe, and other parts of Asia significant damage economically; but if the pain does not get transferred to Israel or the US adequately, I am afraid the US/Israel will wait till Iran gets economically choked. They don’t care about the rest of the world, Spain is a good example.

And by pain to the US, I do not mean pain to the Trump presidency. It seems clear that this is clearly bigger than Trump’s presidency. Pain to the US would mean the USD being seriously threatened as the world’s reserve currency, or a serious threat to US’s hegemony in the region; or a serious degradation to the US militarily.

Dude any deal will involve removing the blockade and sanctions relief. That means there isn't any economic strangling possible.

 

[BHAN85]

I wasn't referring to Iran specifically. I meant in general. Which is why I said any country.

But it's not necessary to be attacked with nuclear weapons to use nuclear weapons.

The first and only time nuclear weapons were used, it was not in response to nuclear attack, it was in response to a naval attack, Pearl Harbor.

And we're potentially in a similar future possible scenario in SoH. Especially if "missiles run out" like they are saying now.

Wouldnt you support a nuclear strike against Iran if Iran sinks USA warships and kill thousands sailors?

 

[KAL-EL]

But it's not necessary to be attacked with nuclear weapons to use nuclear weapons.

The first and only time nuclear weapons were used, it was not in response to nuclear attack, it was in response to a naval attack, Pearl Harbor.

And we're potentially in a similar future possible scenario in SoH. Especially if "missiles run out" like they are saying now.

Wouldnt you support a nuclear strike against Iran if Iran sinks USA warships and kill thousands sailors?

If that scenario came true, then yes, it might come to that. Certainly not a guarantee though

 

[ShapurII]

Lol wow I guess i'm not that pessimistic , i found someone who is on another level

What happened to Iraq after the first Persian Gulf War?

 

[Desert]

What happened to Iraq after the first Persian Gulf War?

Got betrayed by their brothers in gulf states ?
got tricked by the U.S to invade Kuwait then they were attacked by a multi-states coalition ?

don't compare Iran to Iraq , Iran obviously has the edge and can harm all the area when it comes to war. plus you have a good opportunity , it's not the 90s anymore.

 

[unconventional]

Dude any deal will involve removing the blockade and sanctions relief. That means there isn't any economic strangling possible.

There will be no deal (of any significance, or lasting deal), or end to military operations against Iran; until the Iranian regime falls.

 

[Desert]

If that scenario came true, then yes, it might come to that. Certainly not a guarantee though

what happened after the Egyptian EW used against the USS Harry S. Truman aircraft carrier on 12 feb 2025 and made the the carrier collide with a commercial ship near portsaid city ?

 

[KAL-EL]

what happened after the Egyptian EW used against the USS Harry S. Truman aircraft carrier on 12 feb 2025 and made the the carrier collide with a commercial ship near portsaid city ?

This is the first I've heard of this. What's your credible source?

 

[unconventional]

Iran needs to have economic partnerships with China and other major economies (not counting Russia here, they are done); to circumvent the economic strangulation by the US/Israel and get their economy going again.

 

[030292]

Things seem to be moving fast, which can only be a good thing, i think us army has had enough of trump and bibi's bullshit which is why they are probably leaking info about the shortage of weapons to force trump to make a deal.

 

[Desert]

This is the first I've heard of this. What's your credible source?

Oh well, it's not the 60s anymore where you can park your ships near our shores and spy on us for the favor of israel : )

btw, US aircraft carrier commander (Captain Dave Snowden) relieved of his post after collision

 

[Immortals]

Things seem to be moving fast, which can only be a good thing, i think us army has had enough of trump and bibi's bullshit which is why they are probably leaking info about the shortage of weapons to force trump to make a deal.

This is just temporary. Trump will rip up the deal after mid terms and restart the war.

Iran is foolish and will be bamboozled for a 3rd time. Aragachi said before the Feb war that his discussion with other officials that there was an “atmosphere for war” and that they knew the U.S. was headed to war.

If this is true then the political elite and military brass command all decided to have massive meetings in unsafe buildings.

So either Iran is incompetent or it didn’t know the attack was gonna happen.

 

[KAL-EL]

Oh well, it's not the 60s anymore where you can park your ships near our shores and spy on us for the favor of israel : )

btw, US aircraft carrier commander (Captain Dave Snowden) relieved of his post after collision

Again, this is the first I've heard of this. I'd like to see a credible source because this has not been reported anywhere that I know of
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A usn carrier colliding with a ship would be big news here and I can't find a shred of evidence to back up your claim..

Not to mention the fact that Egypt is nowhere near a match for the USN

So I've come to the conclusion that it's just hopium on your part and it never happened

 

[ShapurII]

Got betrayed by their brothers in gulf states ?
got tricked by the U.S to invade Kuwait then they were attacked by a multi-states coalition ?

don't compare Iran to Iraq , Iran obviously has the edge and can harm all the area when it comes to war. plus you have a good opportunity , it's not the 90s anymore.

Iraq was forced to pay compensation to Kuwait for the war. And the US imposed more sanctions on Iraq and further weakened it until they finished the job in 2003. Iraq went from one of the strongest countries in the region in 1991 to a failed state in 2003.

Trust me, it's not the 90s anymore and that's what worries me. It's the age of data and AI and the US has complete, absolute dominance in that. And Iran is falling behind every year, particularly in science and technology. Even in science production, we'll soon fall behind Pakistan, Egypt and the Emirates. We've already fallen behind Turkey and Saudi Arabia in recent rankings.

 

[krash]

Nonsense....

The US has more weapons in long term storage than all the countries of the Middle East have in total, combined. Occupied 2 different countries for decades but has now run out of weapons in a few months. Sure...

Not just this barber, in fact this is the most common Arab view and sentiment for Shia and Iran.

No matter what and how much Iran/Shias would do to confront the common enemy, this ungrateful bunch would only become satisfied if Shias were to disappear.

I would say they definitely deserve the Zionist whip on their sorry asses. Leave them for good.

Not discounting the very real and very moronic sectarian hatred on both sides by any means but that man's comments surely have nothing to do with what Iran's been doing for the past four decades all over the region against them. Of course, it's because they're Shia. Pitiful pretense of martyrdom. "Confront the common enemy"....and Indian levels of self-awareness.

He even rolled the other APC over just with his rifle.