Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

In what sense? Have they delivered anything of strategic value to Iran since 2015? Didn't they even request Iran to settle our differences with the UAE over our islands?

Well they previously didn't veto resolutions and now they do. That's the difference.

Do we have another option? If the snapback mechanism is activated, we will be under UNSC sanctions again. Do you think then the West will somehow magically decide to approach us with goodwill and lift the sanctions?
Once that happens, only one, and I emphasize ONLY ONE thing can happen after that: regime change.
Nuclear weapons at least guarantee that regime change will not happen.

The best solution is to build a gigantic nuclear arsenal including tactical and thermonuclear weapons and second strike capability. Then offer peace to Israel and get the sanctions lifted.

 

[tsunset]

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[ShapurII]

Well they previously didn't veto resolutions and now they do. That's the difference.

Do you seriously think this is a strong argument? Is this even an acceptable argument? They previously didn't but now they do? So, we should take it for granted that they will veto resolutions against us? Really?

The best solution is to build a gigantic nuclear arsenal including tactical and thermonuclear weapons and second strike capability. Then offer peace to Israel and get the sanctions lifted.

That's all I'm saying. We should negotiate over the megatons of our nuclear arsenal, not its existence. Just like now that even in their wet dreams, they talk about putting a limit on the range of our ballistic missiles. They have accepted the fact that Iran is a country with BM technology. So, even in their delusions, the most they want is a range limit, not complete annihilation. The same thing should happen for our nuclear program.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Do you seriously think this is a strong argument? Is this even an acceptable argument? They previously didn't but now they do? So, we should take it for granted that they will veto resolutions against us? Really?

Well considering I said they can't be trusted permanently and "it's not a long term solution" I would say you are misrepresenting my words and this conversation has reached its end.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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[ShapurII]

Well considering I said they can't be trusted permanently and "it's not a long term solution" I would say you are misrepresenting my words and this conversation has reached its end.

They can't be trusted even temporarily, it's not even a short-term solution. I didn't really "misrepresent" your words, I just quoted you, but OK. Suit yourself.

 

[Tijani]

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If this is true then it's another bad deal on the table. Waiting to see the details. The devil is in the detail. Implementation and a binding agreement by law and even then I don't trust the zionist West! The Supreme Leader warned against such a deal. I pray that this draft is nowhere near a deal that's going to signed.

 

[hyperman]

In practice, nothing has changed. Putin was in power back then, and Putin is still in power. The Chinese haven't changed much either. The moment that the West offers the Russians, or the Chinese, an option to trade their veto over Iran, they will take it.

Russia has not delivered a single Su-35 after 4 years and you think they will side with Iran?

Putin got burned by the west, there is zero trust and the Iranian have been cooperating with Russia, it not a defense pact, but I don't see Russia not vetoing anything right now both North Korea and Iran have been the only ones to support Russia, and Russia has shielded North Korea.

 

[ShapurII]

Putin got burned by the west, there is zero trust and the Iranian have been cooperating with Russia, it not a defense pact, but I don't see Russia not vetoing anything right now both North Korea and Iran have been the only ones to support Russia, and Russia has shielded North Korea.

And how has Russia thanked Iran for our military support?
Did Russia offer any sort of military support to Iran when Israel was about to attack Iran?
Has Russia delivered a single Sukhoi-35 to Iran? They were supposed to start the delivery in late 2024.

The history of Iran-Russia relations, even when it became amicable in the 21st century, is still full of distrust between both sides. And they have humiliated Iran for far too long after the revolution.

 

[hyperman]

And how has Russia thanked Iran for our military support?
Did Russia offer any sort of military support to Iran when Israel was about to attack Iran?
Has Russia delivered a single Sukhoi-35 to Iran? They were supposed to start the delivery in late 2024.

The history of Iran-Russia relations, even when it became amicable in the 21st century, is still full of distrust between both sides. And they have humiliated Iran for far too long after the revolution.

They sent electronic warfare equipment and radars. We don't know about the Su-35 situation, whether Iran made the payments already or Iran actually even bought them, I'm assuming they were bought b/c the trainer aircraft was delivered, we don't know how far along the training program is.

 

[ShapurII]

They sent electronic warfare equipment and radars. We don't know about the Su-35 situation, whether Iran made the payments already or Iran actually even bought them, I'm assuming they were bought b/c the trainer aircraft was delivered, we don't know how far along the training program is.

What electronic warfare, equipment and radars did they send specifically?

The "training program" has been ongoing for nearly 5 years so far.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Iran will do well to have a clause that allows it to replace anything that is damaged or destroyed that is part of its enrichment cycle!

 

[hyperman]

What electronic warfare, equipment and radars did they send specifically?

The "training program" has been ongoing for nearly 5 years so far.

Idk has it been confirmed that Iran made the payment? Maybe Iran changed its mind. Only in January 2025 of this year was there anything concrete said by an Iranian official.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/irans-revolutionary-guards-commander-says-iran-purchased-russian-made-sukhoi-35-2025-01-27/

Before this, there was denial from Iran.

Iran Disputes Reports Of First Delivery Of Russian Su-35 Fighter Jets

Iranian officials have denied media reports about the imminent delivery of new Russian Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets to Iran.

www.rferl.org

Do we know the delivery schedule? these things don't happen overnight usually, when an order is placed, especially when Russia is in a war where there is attrition and other orders placed much earlier.

 

[vmro]

Mmm. I think if Trump reaches an agreement with Iran and Israel attacks, Trump is going to be pissed off and Israel on her own. Trump has many flaws and one of them is he likes being glorified as a peace maker which will happen if Trump reaches an agreement with Iran and it's signed... not to mention the Abraham accords having more Arab nations signing up. Israel/Bibi F's this up for Trump he will throw Bibi under the bus and personally drive the Bus.

He will take best of both worlds...he will not start the war neither will make deal...win-win no...

 

[Persian Gulf]

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here we go again ... just when we thought we had some progress ... lol

IRI letting Israel and America control the narrative because it doesn't want to 'negotiate in public' despite everyone else already doing it