Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[mulj]

It’s possible that some people say that’s there’s no ummah because they’re disappointed at the lack of Muslim unity. These people I can understand because in reality Muslims are very divided.

However, there some who seem to think that it’s an obsolete concept that needs to be thrown out of the window. Maybe they’ve read some textbook by some dead white man saying that nation-states are what matter. The concept of nation-states was created in the 1600s and today the Europeans themselves have thrown it into the dustbin of history. They operate as blocks of countries with shared histories and values, like the European Union and NATO.

Meanwhile the brown man making fun of Muslim unity, calling it ‘ummah chummah’ is around 375 years behind the white man, as usual.

We are deprived totally of awareness how symbolism is important for human mind and spirit and how it can transform various realities.

 

[vmro]

Iran fired 500+ missiles at Israel and only achieved c. 30-50 good impacts

I would say their air defence performed very well. how would Iranian air defence fare against 500 ballistic missiles?

if we continued firing 100+ missiles at Israel per day from this point onwards, we could expose their air defence limitations, but we were not able to do that.

This have to be put in some context, from the other side there are some models of missiles, relatively newer ones that were not used yet... other conclusion is with 10 fatahs daily impactful results are guaranteed, 2 of them will inflict damage that for tiny entity is unacceptable on medim-long terms...

why no cruise missiles at all..And immediately getting full package from Kim, giving him chance to test anything from his arsenal...

But first and foremost what is the deal with the launchers and what is potential fix for this issue???

 

[PK781]

damn i missed more than 100 pages in a day!

What's the latest situation ??

 

[j_hungary]

Never in my life have I seen Iran and Israel bracketed or hyphenated together for public chastisement by a serving US President.

Israel is, on paper, an indispensable ally to USA, and no US President would ever give them the direct public message that essentially "we bombed a mountain for you, now wind your neck in, and behave like we just told Iran to".

The member you are responding to has made the point that either Netanyahu or Israel as a whole, or both, have never been in this position in anyone's living memory.

I think the point is completely valid and warrants exploration. You are deflecting from that by confirming what is already well known - that Trump agreed to a bombing run on behalf of Tel Aviv.

Regarding the matter being discussed, I genuinely now feel that Trump feels a need to answer his core MAGA critics (Bannon etc) by holding back on any further blind support for Israel at this stage. I could be wrong, but that seems the direction of flow.

Iran should take full advantage of this chink in the armour of the USA-Israel alliance.

Well, the issue here is, this does not really matter how it goes between Iran and Israel.

That ship has sailed, and that is something we, the Americans, don't want to do, and he did it anyway. you can say, "oh, he is now just as disciplined to Nethanyahu as Iran". Sure, if Trump has a good stock at home, there is going to be some political wiggle room for him to maneuver around. Still, he is not, by all accounts he is either going to be the lowest approval rating president or already is in the lowest. At the same time, for him, it didn't matter, for the GOP, tho, they are looking at a wipeout in next year's mid-term, if not because of this, then it will be because of the economy.

On the other hand, what do you think Trump would do? He gone all gun-ho and bomb the crap out of Iran, first of all, setting aside whether or not Iran can swallow it and let it go, would that be the end of it? I mean there are only 2 ways to go, either going back to diplomacy, which wasn't tried before at all, or keep escalating, I don't know if you heard of people call him TACO, that's already sticking, so if he went back after going all gun-ho, there are going to be reprecussion with his base, because it will look like he chicken out again, if he continue support the Israel, this will no doubt drag us into another war we do not want, now, is this Trump playing Netanyahu? Or Netanyahu playing Trump? I will let you decide.

But if you ask me whether or not he care about either Iran or Israel, he probably don't, he is just doing this because he can, on the other hand, never underestimate AIPAC pull in the US. Even if he is saying no out in the public, that may not mean no, I mean, we went from May last year when biden withhold those GBU for Israel in fear they will be used in Gaza, to we actively play a part of Israeli ploy in Iran this June, now can you really call that a progress if Trump slap around Netanyahu a bit? Well, that's my point.

 

[Watandar]

Why were no Iranian cruise missiles fired at Israel ? The more advanced drones were also missing in action.

 

[BigMela2onin]

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Iran: 610 killed, 4,746 injured (total: 5,356)

Israel: 29 killed, 3,238 injured (total: 3,267)

The benefit of having so many shelters. Though I also don't believe only 29 killed.

 

[vmro]

Which sanctions? All of them?

If it's true, best news for Iran in the past few years...

 

[lightning f57]

You’re not seeing the bigger picture. This is the exact same thing they tried in the 80s using Saddam. They are trying to remove Iran and Israel was the only country willing to do the «dirty work for the west» as that German politician said. They failed. So now what?

I would not underestimate them, they may come back. They are not to be trusted, they use the most vile and immoral methods to achieve their goals, Iran on the other hand keeps trying to stay in line with UN, IAEA norms.

Yahu will not give up mark my words. Iran has to use this lul period wisely.

 

[Shags101]

So here’s the thing

Oh Lord! Hahaha!!

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The funny thing is he really thought he was going to rule Iran even if Iran crumbled tomorrow Iranians would have took him out the very day he arrived on Iranian soil

 

[mangekyo]

I would not underestimate them, they may come back. They are not to be trusted, they use the most vile and immoral methods to achieve their goals, Iran on the other hand keeps trying to stay in line with UN, IAEA norms.

Yahu will not give up mark my words. Iran has to use this lul period wisely.

Thats why I’m saying it’s a huge victory if, and only if we manage to recover before the entity returns.

 

[mangekyo]

So here’s the thing

The funny thing is he really thought he was going to rule Iran even if Iran crumbled tomorrow Iranians would have took him out the very day he arrived on Iranian soil

Its even more funny that he would have been much more popular if he had opposed Israel and supported Iranians. Maybe, just maybe people would have protested IRI if he did that. Whatever small chances he had to rule, they are now gone for good.

 

[arjunk]

We have noticed these "Rajaz" type of statements from Hezbollah as well. Being an Iranian you surely are in a better position to explain this behavior. This repeated behavior from Iran and Hezbollah of making big statements without little to no substantial action on the ground can not be ignored as random occurrences. There is some deep institutional problem rooted in training and organizational culture.

Training from their Indian allies

 

[mangekyo]

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[arjunk]

Thats why I’m saying it’s a huge victory if, and only if we manage to recover before the entity returns.

you probably have until trump leaves office

 

[Type59]

Come on man hit something like a military base or something. Kinda sad looking at flat blocks getting blown up.

I think Iranian missiles have to do extreme manoeuvres to avoid air defences. Hence struggled with accuracy that's my opinion.

Why were no Iranian cruise missiles fired at Israel ? The more advanced drones were also missing in action.

I believe Iran felt the USA was gonna launch a sustained air campaign. Alot of missiles were held back to use against American forces and to target GCC oil infrastructure.