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[ToddE]

yes but my point still stands , HQ9 is not bad we just dont have enough of them

Are they linked with long ranged Search Radars ? or rely upon their own Tracking radars for Long ranged Searching as well ? I am assuming the failure against Fateh-313 (Quasi BM) + Shahed 136 package or P-800 Oniks (Supersonic CM) + Harpy loitering drone may have to do with the fact that long ranged Search radars did not give early warning/coordinates for Battery's own tracking radars to lock the target early.

Israelis devised this technique. In 12 day war and last year after IRGCAF's large attack on Israeli bases (True Promise 2), they attacked Iranian IADs's search n track assets using ALBMs/Long ranged SOWs fired from over Iraq. Rest attack came from within Iran using internal terrorists launching ATGMs, Quadcopters etc. They did not care that much for mobile TELARs because they knew Mobile TELARs without long ranged search cues are almost useless with their own short ranged FCRs. Without US's real time Search n Track Coordinates from Persian Gulf and Iraq, even Israeli AD cant stop Houthi launched Iranian Kheybar-Shikan Missiles.

Key is saving your search n track assets at all costs. Currently the entire globe has no answer to ALBMs or fast CMs.

 

[ToddE]

When did this happen?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Iranian_missile_strikes_in_Pakistan

Happened last year

 

[ToddE]

We don't know if Bavar-373 is a failure. For all we know, there could have been only 5 batteries built and maybe were not combat ready.

2 batteries exist and probably one is semi-operational now. May be not even one. I am not sure.

Back in the day, someone claimed Bavar-373 had to be redesigned after initial design team engineers left Iran and leaked Info to one of the top European Intelligence service against money, citizenship etc. True or not but we have become a nation of selfish traitors.

 

[Shafagh]

2 batteries exist and probably one is semi-operational now. May be not even one. I am not sure.

Back in the day, someone claimed Bavar-373 had to be redesigned after initial design team engineers left Iran and leaked Info to one of the top European Intelligence service against money, citizenship etc. True or not but we have become a nation of selfish traitors.

Well this will happen when people are unhappy and are not recognized for their worth.

 

[ToddE]

Well this will happen when people are unhappy and are not recognized for their worth.

IRI does not understand what loyalty of nation yields. Due to their stupid policies they created an army of disgruntled Iranians to be exploited by enemy.

How many people remember last year an upgraded F-4E was burnt in its hanger due to targeted terrorist attack inside the base.

 

[ShapurII]

Bavar-373 is a lethal HIMAD, tested multiple times, built through international cooperation with a superpower, its downgraded form is even being marketed in aerospace exhibitions. Read Tom Cooper's piece on it, IEI/SAIRAN and their deep TOTs from CATIC, China on their projects. Trust me all these TVCed Sayyad HIMADs, NAJM AESA radars, Giant OTHs were not born in Iran. Tech came into Iran from very reliable source and Bavar is no different. Bavar-373 is equivalent to S-400 performance wise. Problem is IRI's old habit of producing prototypes and not establishing serial productions. Services fall short on cash because 500+ billion USD went to useless Arab Proxies. If that money was in hands of IRIAF + IRIADF .... 20 Batteries of Bavar-373 + layers of Khordad-3/15, Majid SHORADs + 200 Kowsar with their datalinked UCAVs on CAPs sound bad for IADS ? No but this does not exist because money was the problem, product was not bad. Lets not go irrational in our hatred for government. I oppose IRI too.

Do you have any proof of a single operational battery?
When Bavar-373 was finally unveiled, I assumed we would produce one-two batteries per year at least. How long has it been since then? 5 years? 6 years? I don't remember.

 

[FUB]

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[Arash]

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I wonder where these accounts get their info ? I mean, to be honest, between a parliament representative and a random X guy, it's not hard to choose......

 

[Flotilla]

I wonder where these accounts get their info ? I mean, to be honest, between a parliament representative and a random X guy, it's not hard to choose......

And between second handed Mig29 (we don't know which version and weaponry integrated) and S400 I would prefer S400. Anyway Mig29 even in the last versión M2 (or even Mig35) are useless out of the IADs umbrella. So that he said about targeting Israel from outside Iranian airspace It is simply suicidal. They have some of the best AEW, they have land radars from all persian gulf states and even space support with early warning satellites.

 

[Arash]

And between second handed Mig29 (we don't know which version and weaponry integrated) and S400 I would prefer S400. Anyway Mig29 even in the last versión M2 (or even Mig35) are useless out of the IADs umbrella. So that he said about targeting Israel from outside Iranian airspace It is simply suicidal. They have some of the best AEW, they have land radars from all persian gulf states and even space support with early warning satellites.

I'm no longer so sure, remember what was told about the j10, now we see it outperform fighters such as mirage2000 or Rafale and even sukhoi30...

 

[hyperman]

A recently leaked document purportedly belonging to Russia's state-owned defense industry conglomerate Rostec revealed pricing, delivery schedules, and export plans for advanced Sukhoi fighter jets slated for supply to Iran, Algeria, and Ethiopia. The document detailed the countries' order quantities and delivery dates.

The leaked documents include correspondence, presentations, and details of Russia's defense cooperation with foreign partners. They also include logistics plans designed to evade sanctions and technical documents on arms procurement. While the document's authenticity has not been independently confirmed, analysts noted that its contents largely align with reports of Moscow's previous export negotiations.

In the document, the countries' customers are indicated with codes according to the Russian national classification system:

• The code “364” represents Iran,
• “012” Algeria,
• “231” represents Ethiopia.

According to the leaked table:

• Iran has procured 48 Su-35 fighter jets.
• Algeria signed a contract for 12 Su-57 fifth-generation fighter jets and 14 Su-34 attack aircraft.
• Ethiopia signed a deal for 6 Su-35s.

If the information is accurate, these contracts represent Russia's largest exports of fighter jets since the Russo-Ukraine war began in 2022. They also signal Moscow's deepening of its defense ties with non-Western countries.

Delivery schedule and production plans​

The document also includes delivery schedules and production timelines. Accordingly, equipment for Iran's Su-35 aircraft is scheduled to be shipped 16–18 and 46–48 months after prepayments are received, respectively.

Assuming the first payment is made in 2022, deliveries of the KRET-developed subsystems to the aircraft manufacturing facility are expected to occur between 2024 and 2026. This process will be followed by assembly, flight testing, and certification, with final deliveries to Iran likely to occur between 2026 and 2028.

 

[hyperman]

seems deliveries are coming starting next year.

 

[Shags101]

seems deliveries are coming starting next year.

Yeah I was going to post a Newsweek article but again we are both posting what’s already been reporting you know what find weird why Iran didn’t purchase su 57 or a mix as well su 35 might handle some heavy lifting but if it takes 2 years for all deliveries to arrive still really not that many to handle todays threats especially when your enemy can field hundreds at a time talking mostly America but even Israel can field dizdns at a time and they have the advantage of stealth unless Russia or china upgrades Irans defenses to detect such threats they’re still far behind sad to say

 

[hyperman]

Yeah I was going to post a Newsweek article but again we are both posting what’s already been reporting you know what find weird why Iran didn’t purchase su 57 or a mix as well su 35 might handle some heavy lifting but if it takes 2 years for all deliveries to arrive still really not that many to handle todays threats especially when your enemy can field hundreds at a time talking mostly America but even Israel can field dizdns at a time and they have the advantage of stealth unless Russia or china upgrades Irans defenses to detect such threats they’re still far behind sad to say

You can only purchase what was offered.

 

[Shafagh]

Yeah I was going to post a Newsweek article but again we are both posting what’s already been reporting you know what find weird why Iran didn’t purchase su 57 or a mix as well su 35 might handle some heavy lifting but if it takes 2 years for all deliveries to arrive still really not that many to handle todays threats especially when your enemy can field hundreds at a time talking mostly America but even Israel can field dizdns at a time and they have the advantage of stealth unless Russia or china upgrades Irans defenses to detect such threats they’re still far behind sad to say

We don't buy enough from Russia to warrant them rolling out their finest hardware.

Algeria has been a longstanding customer for decades. They buy strictly Russian. That's a good customer, so they cater to them.