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Germany slashes military aid to Ukraine - Pretends it still fully supports war effort​


 
mulj said:
Desperation indeed, russians in took in couple days around 200 square km and approached key city in the region, ukrainians them self wonders were is the army, well they are in kursk.
Your problem is they you over estimate rationality and giving more credit then deserved to the uaf command stuff like they can not commit blunders.
At the moment russians are joking that toppling zelensky dictator would hurt their interests and that he is their asset how smart decisions he makes.
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Blunder is when you underestimate the military strength, or miscalculate the enemy defence, or formed unbased conclusion on military issue, or overestimate your own logistic capability like the Russian during initial stage of this war. Those are blunder. If they have no objective at all and using the last best troop to invade Russia, that's not a blunder, that's outright illogical, people compare this to what Hitler did in Ardennes Offensive, using their best weapon for the last gamble. The problem is, the Ardennes offensive is actually useful because if it succeeded, it will cut the allied force in half. That actually benefit Germany defence, Kursk did nothing to Ukraine defence, it will be like Hitler send their last best troop in their dying day and invade the US or Mexico. Not even Hitler is this dumb.

Because you don't need any military knowledge to think the first job of the defender is to defend, not attack. As I said, this is not even about military capability, ask average jack, joe and jill on the street, they will tell you the same thing.

On the other hand, this is not just what Ukraine did, but also what Russian did not do. When Russian re-invade Kharkiv, many people pointed out that this should be a long time coming, and that Ukraine dropping the ball and allowed an invasion to happen, this is a blunder, the same can be said with the Russian defence, those border were supposed to be fortified, you are going to war with a hostile nation, and as an attacker no less, would you be shoring up your own border facing that neighbor? I mean I get it if you want to pull troop out and strengthen the front, you pull troop from Chinese border, or even Finland or other NATO border, but you don't pull troop out from the Ukrainian border, because you expect something will happen to the neighbor you are at war with, especially with previous border incursion in Belgorod. You are actually supposed to do the opposite. This is only a PR nightmare for Russia because they let it happen. Just because Ukrainian force have plan to go over the border does not mean they will guarantee success. There is something else at play here, and it's very obvious to see. This is more than just Zelenskyy waking up one day and think "Hey, we need to attack Russia" and then send the last remaining force to execute this plan and ignore everything else.
 
j_hungary said:
Blunder is when you underestimate the military strength, or miscalculate the enemy defence, or formed unbased conclusion on military issue, or overestimate your own logistic capability like the Russian during initial stage of this war. Those are blunder. If they have no objective at all and using the last best troop to invade Russia, that's not a blunder, that's outright illogical, people compare this to what Hitler did in Ardennes Offensive, using their best weapon for the last gamble. The problem is, the Ardennes offensive is actually useful because if it succeeded, it will cut the allied force in half. That actually benefit Germany defence, Kursk did nothing to Ukraine defence, it will be like Hitler send their last best troop in their dying day and invade the US or Mexico. Not even Hitler is this dumb.

Because you don't need any military knowledge to think the first job of the defender is to defend, not attack. As I said, this is not even about military capability, ask average jack, joe and jill on the street, they will tell you the same thing.

On the other hand, this is not just what Ukraine did, but also what Russian did not do. When Russian re-invade Kharkiv, many people pointed out that this should be a long time coming, and that Ukraine dropping the ball and allowed an invasion to happen, this is a blunder, the same can be said with the Russian defence, those border were supposed to be fortified, you are going to war with a hostile nation, and as an attacker no less, would you be shoring up your own border facing that neighbor? I mean I get it if you want to pull troop out and strengthen the front, you pull troop from Chinese border, or even Finland or other NATO border, but you don't pull troop out from the Ukrainian border, because you expect something will happen to the neighbor you are at war with, especially with previous border incursion in Belgorod. You are actually supposed to do the opposite. This is only a PR nightmare for Russia because they let it happen. Just because Ukrainian force have plan to go over the border does not mean they will guarantee success. There is something else at play here, and it's very obvious to see. This is more than just Zelenskyy waking up one day and think "Hey, we need to attack Russia" and then send the last remaining force to execute this plan and ignore everything else.
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Dude, you should adjust angle and move away from ukraina winning this war, once you do that you will express less mental gimmick trying to rationalize every bad decision by their military leadership.
 
The progress that Russians made in these past three weeks would previously take them at least three months. Ukrainians can no longer afford to hold every village and small town. They will probably make some sort of last stand in Pokrovsk and then it's GG for AFU in Donetsk. Which raises the question if Zelensky really is delusional enough to think that they will trade Donetsk for what they can barely hold in Kursk
 
Yommie said:
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Germany slashes military aid to Ukraine - Pretends it still fully supports war effort​


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Ukraine needs $50 billion a year. That’s $1 billion a country for the 50 countries in the Ukraine alliance. If the Germans stop paying because the economy is bad, the extremists are on the rise, election around the corner then other should stop the gap.
In math, not that big money this $50 billion. The EU combined gdp is $17 trillion.
 
Viet said:
Ukraine needs $50 billion a year. That’s $1 billion a country for the 50 countries in the Ukraine alliance. If the Germans stop paying because the economy is bad, the extremists are on the rise, election around the corner then other should stop the gap.
In math, not that big money this $50 billion. The EU combined gdp is $17 trillion.
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These countries don't have surplus. They have massive deficit. They can't even give 1 cent without going into more deficit. 50 billion a year is not sustainable. Only possible for 3 years. Not possible for a 3,000 years war which lasts 3 days.
 
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