Yarmook-Class Corvette/OPV | Updates & Discussion
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Gun based CIWS are fine against subsonic cruise missiles / UAVs etc. Hence the customers where the threat matrix is just that can easily cut costs and go for gun based CIWS.
PDMS like SeaRAM were initially developed to counter new threats like supersonic Antiship cruise missiles. Gun based systems are not enough to stop supersonic cruise missile. We have to see the threat matrix of Pakistan Navy. PN do not want a point defense against exocets or UAVs but its primary threat is Brahmos missile.
The USN has started inducting SeaRAMs and secondly, their ships have massive number of VLS available and lots of long range / medium range / short range missiles in single ship. That already provides a powerful defense layer. For-example a ship with 48 cell VLS containing 36 long range missiles, 12 short range missiles than its okay to have a gun based CIWS. Like Chinese destroyers have PDMS and gun based CIWS both. However, In PN's case, if we only have either the gun CIWS or the PDMS than the later would be ideal as the ships have very limited VLS / anti-air missiles.
gun based CIWS only engages a single target, PDMS can shoot at a target and then can engage to another target. Its fire & forgot capable to engage multiple targets. However, the PDMS are not cheap, only reason if PN goes for gun based CIWS will be the cost.
PNS Tabook is using Z-9 C helicopter. So both OPV has Z9C helicopters
Hey bro, did you had any interaction ? So, no plans to arm the Yarmooks with Harbah yet?
I do not dispute this, but you mentioned Phalnax being obsolete, that does not seem to be the case, if anything still very releavnt
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Damen Showcases OPV 2600 Model Tailored For The Pakistan Navy
Dutch shipbuilder Damen unveiled a scale model of the Offshore Patrol Vessel (OPV) 2600 at the DIMDEX 2024 exhibition in Doha, Qatar. The model shows a design specifically customized to meet the requirements of the Pakistan Navy.
Tayfun Ozberk04 Mar 2024
Damen is constructing two OPV 2600 vessels in Romania for the Pakistan Navy, as a continuation of the existing Yarmook-class OPVs currently in service. It ceremonially laid the keel of the first multi-purpose patrol vessel OPV 2600 for the Pakistan Navy in October 2022. At the same ceremony, the first steel plates were cut for the construction of the second OPV 2600.
These new OPVs will be slightly larger and heavier than the Yarmook-class vessels. The scale model presented at the DIMDEX 2024 exhibition indicates a more heavily armed vessel, featuring 2×2 anti-ship missile canisters, likely equipped with Harbah missiles, Aselsan-made Smash 30 mm gun, Gökdeniz close-in weapon system (CIWS), and two STAMP remote weapon stations. Additionally, the ship is armed with a 6-cell VLS (Vertical Launch System) that incorporates surface-to-air missiles.
Although the specific type of missiles hasn’t been disclosed by officials, it’s likely the Albatros NG, as the Pakistani Navy is the inaugural export customer for these missiles.
However, company officials emphasized that the vessel will be delivered with “fitted-but-not-with” armament . While Damen is responsible for constructing and delivering the hull, the outfitting is the customer’s responsibility, as highlighted by a Damen official at the booth.
About OPV 2600
The OPV 2600 is the largest member of four new second-generation offshore patrol vessels (other variants are OPV 1400, OPV 1800, and OPV 2400) designed by Damen Shipyards to support a variety of naval and Coast Guard missions, such as Border and EEZ surveillance, Counter piracy and smuggling, and Counter drugs- and weapons trafficking among others.
The 2600-ton vessel has a length of 98 meters, which is longer than the Yarmook-class OPVs Pakistan Navy currently operates. It has 4x 2350 kW diesel engines coupled to two CPPs that can deliver a top speed of 24 knots to the vessel. OPV 2600 will also be fitted with a bow thruster for close maneuvers.
The vessel can operate at sea state 6 and is capable of surviving at sea state 9 thanks to its active fin stabilizing system. It will be capable of accommodating 60 people.
The OPV 2600 will be armed with the main gun of up to 76 mm on the ship’s bow deck and two 20 mm guns as secondary weapons. The sensor suite includes a medium-range surveillance radar and an E/O fire control sensor. The ship will also be capable of helicopter missions with its helicopter deck and can house the helicopters in its hangar.
Under the aft deck there will be space for up to 5 containerized mission modules that can be loaded and unloaded using a crane.
Moreover, the OPV 2600 boasts the capacity for five additional mission modules, covering areas such as Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) with side-scan sonar, Mine Countermeasures (MCM), Unmanned Aerial Vehicle/Unmanned Surface Vehicle (UAV/USV), pollution control, hospital facilities, diving support, as well as energy and water-making facilities, among others.
Designed for sustained maritime patrols, search and rescue operations, law enforcement, humanitarian assistance, and disaster response missions, the scaled model crafted for the Pakistan Navy is also capable of Anti-Surface Warfare (ASuW) and Anti-Air Warfare (AAW).
Damen showcases OPV 2600 model tailored for the Pakistan Navy - Naval News
Dutch shipbuilder Damen unveiled a scale model of the OPV 2600 at the DIMDEX 2024 exhibition in Doha, Qatar.
www.navalnews.com
6 cell Vls ?? Does means 6 missiles or quad pack so 6x4 24 Sams ?Damen Showcases OPV 2600 Model Tailored For The Pakistan Navy
Dutch shipbuilder Damen unveiled a scale model of the Offshore Patrol Vessel (OPV) 2600 at the DIMDEX 2024 exhibition in Doha, Qatar. The model shows a design specifically customized to meet the requirements of the Pakistan Navy.
Tayfun Ozberk
04 Mar 2024
Damen is constructing two OPV 2600 vessels in Romania for the Pakistan Navy, as a continuation of the existing Yarmook-class OPVs currently in service. It ceremonially laid the keel of the first multi-purpose patrol vessel OPV 2600 for the Pakistan Navy in October 2022. At the same ceremony, the first steel plates were cut for the construction of the second OPV 2600.
These new OPVs will be slightly larger and heavier than the Yarmook-class vessels. The scale model presented at the DIMDEX 2024 exhibition indicates a more heavily armed vessel, featuring 2×2 anti-ship missile canisters, likely equipped with Harbah missiles, Aselsan-made Smash 30 mm gun, Gökdeniz close-in weapon system (CIWS), and two STAMP remote weapon stations. Additionally, the ship is armed with a 6-cell VLS (Vertical Launch System) that incorporates surface-to-air missiles.
Although the specific type of missiles hasn’t been disclosed by officials, it’s likely the Albatros NG, as the Pakistani Navy is the inaugural export customer for these missiles.
However, company officials emphasized that the vessel will be delivered with “fitted-but-not-with” armament . While Damen is responsible for constructing and delivering the hull, the outfitting is the customer’s responsibility, as highlighted by a Damen official at the booth.
About OPV 2600
OPV 2600 multi-mission patrol vessel rendering (Damen photo)
The OPV 2600 is the largest member of four new second-generation offshore patrol vessels (other variants are OPV 1400, OPV 1800, and OPV 2400) designed by Damen Shipyards to support a variety of naval and Coast Guard missions, such as Border and EEZ surveillance, Counter piracy and smuggling, and Counter drugs- and weapons trafficking among others.
The 2600-ton vessel has a length of 98 meters, which is longer than the Yarmook-class OPVs Pakistan Navy currently operates. It has 4x 2350 kW diesel engines coupled to two CPPs that can deliver a top speed of 24 knots to the vessel. OPV 2600 will also be fitted with a bow thruster for close maneuvers.
The vessel can operate at sea state 6 and is capable of surviving at sea state 9 thanks to its active fin stabilizing system. It will be capable of accommodating 60 people.
The OPV 2600 will be armed with the main gun of up to 76 mm on the ship’s bow deck and two 20 mm guns as secondary weapons. The sensor suite includes a medium-range surveillance radar and an E/O fire control sensor. The ship will also be capable of helicopter missions with its helicopter deck and can house the helicopters in its hangar.
Under the aft deck there will be space for up to 5 containerized mission modules that can be loaded and unloaded using a crane.
Moreover, the OPV 2600 boasts the capacity for five additional mission modules, covering areas such as Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) with side-scan sonar, Mine Countermeasures (MCM), Unmanned Aerial Vehicle/Unmanned Surface Vehicle (UAV/USV), pollution control, hospital facilities, diving support, as well as energy and water-making facilities, among others.
Designed for sustained maritime patrols, search and rescue operations, law enforcement, humanitarian assistance, and disaster response missions, the scaled model crafted for the Pakistan Navy is also capable of Anti-Surface Warfare (ASuW) and Anti-Air Warfare (AAW).
Damen showcases OPV 2600 model tailored for the Pakistan Navy - Naval News
Dutch shipbuilder Damen unveiled a scale model of the OPV 2600 at the DIMDEX 2024 exhibition in Doha, Qatar.
What kind of Vls ? Is this Turkish Vls ?
Turkish Indigenous VLS 'MIDLAS' Performs First Ever Launch - Naval News
Turkish missile manufacturer Roketsan conducted the first test launch of the indigenous vertical launch system (VLS) called MIDLAS.
www.navalnews.com
the actual number will be 12 ready to fire anti air missiles
6x2
batch II is turning out to be a good investment with quality punch. PN should order two more of these.
Damen site considered this a military vehicle
www.damen.com
Damen site considered this a military vehicle
OPV 2600 Military - Offshore Patrol Vessel | Damen
Damen Offshore Patrol Vessel 2600 Military provides extended mission capabilities. Its economic propulsion package features four diesel engines and two controllable pitch propellers.
www.damen.com
T54's and Mig 21's are also used the world over...whats your point?
Gun based CIWS is not the way forward. Missile based solutions are, this is why the world is making the switch where affordable. RIM-116 like solution is not cheap. One RAM costs in excess of a million dollars.
Just some logic here:
Lets say we have a ton of metal shrapnel flying towards you at Mach 3, would you rather it be intercepted at 10km out or 1km?
I take it you'd choose the former.
The best part is there is literally modern examples of what i am saying.
The soviets lost a Nanchuka class corvette during a P-15 Termit test, a slow, old, clunky missile, fired upon by two AK630, intercepted, however, due to the KE and size of the missile, it continued travelling towards the ship, sinking it and killing its crew.
During a US live fire test, a phalanx successfully intercepted a Firebee drone, however, once again, flying shrapnel is still dangerous, the subsonic ball of flying metal punched a hole in the superstructure and killed a sailor, POST interception.
Now imagine, the same scenario, but the metal is travelling at mach 3, for now, future threats mach 4/5, if those two examples, travelling orders of magnitude slower were able to do such significant damage, i dread to think what BrahMos is capable of.
Gun based CIWS just does the job, thats it, in most cases it will disable and take care of less capable missiles, such as exocet or older harpoon's, but good luck using gun based CIWS against threats like Oniks, or BrahMos or even those like NSM etc.
The only sort of improvement that has been made in recent times to gun based ciws is either increasing the ROF or introducing new types of ammo to increase effectiveness, Gokdeniz uses ATOM, an airburst round designed to increase effectiveness of the weapon but once again, that does not solve the core issue which is the interception range, or lack thereof.
When you say being used world over, you must not be paying attention, most navies are switching to missile based solutions, infact, i think it was the RCN who took it a step further, using a loadout of standard missiles, alongside ESSM and then CAMM for close in interception.
The PN would not be selecting gun based solutions if they had the ability to equip RAM on all of their ships, but they do not, the cost of a CAMM missile is probably not super far off of the cost of a RAM.
The royal navy's carriers, you mean the ones protected by magazines of ASTER 30 and CAMM? Also the same royal navy who is being bled dry by budgetary issues?
the limitation is in the system itself. Once again, you can pack whatever you want on the chassis of a T55, fill it up with the most advanced sensors adn weapons as you can, but the limitation is still the same, no matter how much lipstick you put on it, a pig will still be a pig.
iirc it should be another 4 of these, original plan was 2 batch 1 and 6 batch 2batch II is turning out to be a good investment with quality punch. PN should order two more of these.
Damen site considered this a military vehicle
OPV 2600 Military - Offshore Patrol Vessel | Damen
Damen Offshore Patrol Vessel 2600 Military provides extended mission capabilities. Its economic propulsion package features four diesel engines and two controllable pitch propellers.
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