Gaza-Israel Conflict | 2023-2024

A friend who works in the UN and is based in Egypt shared these WhatsApp videos and images they are on Dropbox and are from the UN and the special Rapporteur stationed there. They track the humanitarian crisis that UNRWA is dealing with and the calamity that has befallen the people of Gaza.

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28Nov23_Gaza - Thomas White Visit to Jabaliya Camp_UNRWA Photos

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It is well worth a watch for those seriously interested in the humanitarian impact of the war. And the true scale of the problems.

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Waz said:
It's not a matter of narrative but a documented historical fact by the UN, human rights agencies at the time and the world press. You're just making things up now.

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I dont understand: what am I making up? These below is my reference, you can check directly in the link below.

The Nakba is described as ethnic cleansing by many scholars,[78] including Palestinian scholars such as Rashid Khalidi,[79] Adel Manna,[80] Nur Masalha,[81] Nadim Rouhana,[82] Ahmad H. Sa'di,[83] and Areej Sabbagh-Khoury,[84] Israeli scholars such as Alon Confino,[85] Amos Goldberg,[86] Baruch Kimmerling,[87] Ronit Lentin,[88] Ilan Pappé,[89] and Yehouda Shenhav,[90] and foreign scholars such as Abigail Bakan,[91] Elias Khoury,[92] Mark Levene,[93] Derek Penslar,[94] and Patrick Wolfe,[95] among other scholars.[96]

Other scholars, such as Yoav Gelber,[97] Benny Morris,[98] and Seth J. Frantzman,[99] disagree that the Nakba constitutes an ethnic cleansing. Morris in 2016 rejected the description of "ethnic cleansing" for 1948, while also stating that the label of "partial ethnic cleansing" for 1948 was debatable; in 2004 Morris was responding to the claim of "ethnic cleansing" occurring in 1948 by stating that, given the alternative was "genocide - the annihilation of your people," there were "circumstances in history that justify ethnic cleansing ... It was necessary to cleanse the hinterland ... ['cleanse' was] the term they used at the time ... there was no choice but to expel the Palestinian population. To uproot it in the course of war"; Morris said this resulted in a "partial" expulsion of Arabs.[100][101]

National narratives​

Palestinian national narrative​

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The Palestinian national narrative regards the repercussions of the Nakba as a formative trauma defining its national, political and moral aspirations and its identity. The Palestinian people developed a victimized national identity in which they had lost their country as a result of the 1948 war. From the Palestinian perspective, they have been forced to pay for the Holocaust perpetrated in Europe with their freedom, properties and bodies instead of those who were truly responsible.[11]

Shmuel Trigano, writing in the Jewish Political Studies Review published by the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, outlines the evolution of the Nakba narrative through three stages. Initially, it depicted Palestinians as victims displaced by Israel's creation to make way for Jewish immigrants. The next phase recast the Six-Day War as Israel's colonization of Palestinian lands, aligning the Palestinian cause with anti-colonial sentiments. The final stage leverages Holocaust memories, accusing Israel of apartheid, resonating with Western guilt over the Holocaust. He argues these evolving interpretations omit complex historical factors involving failed attempts to eliminate Israel, contested territorial claims, and Jewish refugee displacement from Arab nations.[136]

Israeli national narrative​

The Israeli national narrative rejects the Palestinian characterization of 1948 as the Nakba (catastrophe), instead viewing it as the War of Independence that established Israel's statehood and sovereignty.[13][11] It portrays the events of 1948 as the culmination of the Zionist movement and Jewish national aspirations, resulting in military success against invading Arab armies, armistice agreements, and recognition of Israel's legitimacy by the United Nations.[13] While acknowledging some instances of Israeli responsibility for the Palestinian refugee crisis, as documented by historians like Benny Morris, the overarching Israeli narrative accommodates this within the context of Israel's emergence as a state under difficult war conditions, without negating Israel's foundational story and identity.[13] It perceives the 1948 war and its outcome as an equally formative and fundamental event – as an act of justice and redemption for the Jewish people after centuries of historical suffering, and the key step in the "negation of the Diaspora".[11]

According to this narrative, the Palestinian Arabs voluntarily fled their homes during the war, encouraged by Arab leaders who told Palestinians to temporarily evacuate so that Arab armies could destroy Israel, and then upon losing the war, refused to integrate them.[12] This viewpoint also contrasts Jewish refugees absorbed by Israel with Palestinian refugees kept stateless by Arab countries as political pawns. In contrast to the Palestinian narrative, claims that Arab villages were depopulated and that Palestinian homes were destroyed are not acknowledged by the mainstream Israeli narrative, typically using terminology such as "abandoned" property and "population exchange" rather than "confiscated" or "expelled."[12][13]

en.wikipedia.org

Nakba - Wikipedia

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Unknowntruth said:
As a Palestinian, I fully understand your emotions. With that said, we would be no better than them if we resort to their same genocidal actions. It is sickening though that their civilian population sees no issue with the crimes being committed against the Palestinian people. i used to think they were just brainwashed. Now I believe they are just sick in the head believing it to be justified from debating these people. They know the truth of what’s going on but choose to justify the genocidal actions by blaming it on any resistance to occupation and oppression. Their blind hatred for Palestinians who just want to live in their land is just sickening.
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Why would you want to be better than them and not worse?
 
Davey Crockett said:
mearsheimer.substack.com

Genocide in Gaza

I am writing to flag a truly important document that should be widely circulated and read carefully by anyone interested in the ongoing Gaza War.
mearsheimer.substack.com mearsheimer.substack.com
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With Israel firmly in the armpit of Uncle Sam what can the world do about it? Even Russia has a big headache, Chinese/Pakistani headache is about to come as the US builds the next wanna be Nazis: India.
 
Antonius123 said:
I dont understand: what am I making up? These below is my reference, you can check directly in the link below.

The Nakba is described as ethnic cleansing by many scholars,[78] including Palestinian scholars such as Rashid Khalidi,[79] Adel Manna,[80] Nur Masalha,[81] Nadim Rouhana,[82] Ahmad H. Sa'di,[83] and Areej Sabbagh-Khoury,[84] Israeli scholars such as Alon Confino,[85] Amos Goldberg,[86] Baruch Kimmerling,[87] Ronit Lentin,[88] Ilan Pappé,[89] and Yehouda Shenhav,[90] and foreign scholars such as Abigail Bakan,[91] Elias Khoury,[92] Mark Levene,[93] Derek Penslar,[94] and Patrick Wolfe,[95] among other scholars.[96]

Other scholars, such as Yoav Gelber,[97] Benny Morris,[98] and Seth J. Frantzman,[99] disagree that the Nakba constitutes an ethnic cleansing. Morris in 2016 rejected the description of "ethnic cleansing" for 1948, while also stating that the label of "partial ethnic cleansing" for 1948 was debatable; in 2004 Morris was responding to the claim of "ethnic cleansing" occurring in 1948 by stating that, given the alternative was "genocide - the annihilation of your people," there were "circumstances in history that justify ethnic cleansing ... It was necessary to cleanse the hinterland ... ['cleanse' was] the term they used at the time ... there was no choice but to expel the Palestinian population. To uproot it in the course of war"; Morris said this resulted in a "partial" expulsion of Arabs.[100][101]

National narratives​

Palestinian national narrative​

[icon]This section needs expansion. You can help by adding to it. (October 2023)
The Palestinian national narrative regards the repercussions of the Nakba as a formative trauma defining its national, political and moral aspirations and its identity. The Palestinian people developed a victimized national identity in which they had lost their country as a result of the 1948 war. From the Palestinian perspective, they have been forced to pay for the Holocaust perpetrated in Europe with their freedom, properties and bodies instead of those who were truly responsible.[11]

Shmuel Trigano, writing in the Jewish Political Studies Review published by the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, outlines the evolution of the Nakba narrative through three stages. Initially, it depicted Palestinians as victims displaced by Israel's creation to make way for Jewish immigrants. The next phase recast the Six-Day War as Israel's colonization of Palestinian lands, aligning the Palestinian cause with anti-colonial sentiments. The final stage leverages Holocaust memories, accusing Israel of apartheid, resonating with Western guilt over the Holocaust. He argues these evolving interpretations omit complex historical factors involving failed attempts to eliminate Israel, contested territorial claims, and Jewish refugee displacement from Arab nations.[136]

Israeli national narrative​

The Israeli national narrative rejects the Palestinian characterization of 1948 as the Nakba (catastrophe), instead viewing it as the War of Independence that established Israel's statehood and sovereignty.[13][11] It portrays the events of 1948 as the culmination of the Zionist movement and Jewish national aspirations, resulting in military success against invading Arab armies, armistice agreements, and recognition of Israel's legitimacy by the United Nations.[13] While acknowledging some instances of Israeli responsibility for the Palestinian refugee crisis, as documented by historians like Benny Morris, the overarching Israeli narrative accommodates this within the context of Israel's emergence as a state under difficult war conditions, without negating Israel's foundational story and identity.[13] It perceives the 1948 war and its outcome as an equally formative and fundamental event – as an act of justice and redemption for the Jewish people after centuries of historical suffering, and the key step in the "negation of the Diaspora".[11]

According to this narrative, the Palestinian Arabs voluntarily fled their homes during the war, encouraged by Arab leaders who told Palestinians to temporarily evacuate so that Arab armies could destroy Israel, and then upon losing the war, refused to integrate them.[12] This viewpoint also contrasts Jewish refugees absorbed by Israel with Palestinian refugees kept stateless by Arab countries as political pawns. In contrast to the Palestinian narrative, claims that Arab villages were depopulated and that Palestinian homes were destroyed are not acknowledged by the mainstream Israeli narrative, typically using terminology such as "abandoned" property and "population exchange" rather than "confiscated" or "expelled."[12][13]

en.wikipedia.org

Nakba - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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Arent there a Israeli sponsored group that tasks people to rewrite every wikipedia article related to palestine.

I saw a video of a zionist seminar where a servicement tell the audience to di exactly that…. with no shame.
 
Truth said:
:Khansaheeb ,

The laughing emoji you thought appropriate to attach to this post , was reported.

The post itself with it's half quotes , doest not even desrves a serious response.
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You ought to look In The mirror about posts you have liked or loved on the past. You are hardly an innocent party. You reported him - I wil delete but if you attempt to do something similar - I will be more severe with you
 
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Aziqbal said:
oh look here come the moral and ethics police with their "gotcha" moment of glory

I guess you also claim the hostages have been rescued?

bottom line is IDF is taking a bad beating

and over 400 Western military"advisors" are in israel and still cant beat orphans with weapons made in basement
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How brave will the Zionist Jew Nazis be if those orphans have the arsenal of China thrown open to them the same way America thrown opened her arsenal to the hideous bullying Zionist Nazis?

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Zionist will then suddenly find true peace talk is the only way forward.

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