Gaza-Israel Conflict | 2023-2024

Palestinian Death Toll in Gaza Surpasses 25,000 While the Prolonged War Divides Israelis


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21 January 2024

The Palestinian death toll from the war between Israel and Hamas has soared past 25,000, the Health Ministry in the Gaza Strip said Sunday, while the Israeli government appeared far from achieving its goals of crushing the militant group and freeing more than 100 hostages.

The death, destruction and displacement from the war is without precedent in the decades-old Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Israeli officials say the fighting is likely to continue for several more months.

The conflict has divided ordinary Israelis and their leaders while the offensive threatens to ignite a wider war involving Iran-backed groups in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Yemen that support the Palestinians. In Lebanon, Hezbollah forces have engaged in near-daily clashes with Israeli troops along the border.

An Israeli airstrike on Sunday hit a car near a Lebanese army checkpoint in the southern town of Kafra, killing at least one person and injuring several others, Lebanese state media reported. Their identities were not immediately clear. Israel's military said its aircraft and tanks struck a number of Hezbollah targets in southern Lebanon.

The United States, which has provided diplomatic and military support for Israel's offensive, has had limited success in persuading Israel to put civilians at less risk and to facilitate the delivery of more humanitarian aid.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has rejected US and international calls for postwar plans that would include a path to Palestinian statehood. UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres called the refusal to accept a two-state solution "totally unacceptable.”
“The Middle East is a tinderbox. We must do all we can to prevent conflict igniting across the region," Guterres added Sunday. "And that starts with an immediate humanitarian ceasefire to relieve the suffering in Gaza.”

GAZA DEATH TOLL CLIMBS The war began with Hamas’ attack in southern Israel on Oct. 7. Palestinian militants killed some 1,200 people, mostly civilians, and took around 250 hostages back to Gaza.

Israel responded with a bombing campaign and ground invasion that laid waste to entire neighborhoods in northern Gaza and spread south. Ground operations are now focused on the southern city of Khan Younis and built-up refugee camps in central Gaza dating back to the 1948 war surrounding Israel's creation.

Israel continues to carry out airstrikes throughout the besieged territory, including areas in the south where it told civilians to seek refuge. Many Palestinians have ignored evacuation orders, saying nowhere feels safe.

On Sunday, Israel's military said the demolition last week of a key building at Israa University in Gaza was under review. It asserted that preliminary findings indicated Hamas had used the compound for military purposes. The university said earlier that the “attack” came weeks after Israeli forces occupied the building.

Since the war started, 25,105 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza, while another 62,681 have been wounded, the Health Ministry said. The toll included the 178 bodies brought to Gaza’s hospitals since Saturday, Health Ministry spokesperson Ashraf al-Qidra said. Another 300 people were wounded in the past day, he said.

The overall toll is thought to be higher because many casualties remain buried under the rubble or in areas where medics cannot reach them, Al-Qidra said.

The Health Ministry does not differentiate between civilians and combatants in its figures but says around two-thirds of the people killed in Gaza were women and minors. The ministry is part of the Hamas-run government, but its casualty figures from previous wars were largely consistent with those of UN agencies and even the Israeli military.

The Israeli military says it has killed around 9,000 militants, without providing evidence, and blames the high civilian death toll on Hamas because it positions fighters, tunnels and other militant infrastructure in dense neighborhoods, often near homes, schools or mosques.

The military says 195 soldiers have been killed.

The war has displaced some 85% of Gaza’s residents, with hundreds of thousands packing into UN-run shelters and camps in the southern part of the tiny coastal enclave. UN officials say a quarter of the population of 2.3 million is starving as a trickle of humanitarian aid reaches them because of the fighting and Israeli restrictions.

“Bread does not suffice for one hour,” said Ahmad Al-Nashawi, who accepted donated food at a camp of plastic tents in the southern city of Rafah. “You can see how many children we have other than women and men. What matters most for a child is to eat.”
ISRAELIS INCREASINGLY DIVIDED Netanyahu has vowed to keep up the offensive until Israel achieves “complete victory” over Hamas and returns all remaining hostages. But even some top Israeli officials have begun to acknowledge that those goals might be mutually exclusive.

Hamas is believed to be holding the captives in tunnels and using them as shields for its top leaders. Israel has rescued one hostage, and Hamas says several have been killed in Israeli airstrikes or during failed rescue operations.

A member of Israel’s War Cabinet, former army chief Gadi Eisenkot, said last week that the only way to free the hostages was through a ceasefire. In an implicit criticism of Netanyahu, he said claims to the contrary amounted to “illusions.”

Hamas has said it will not free more hostages until Israel ends its offensive. The group is expected to make any further releases conditional on securing freedom for thousands of Palestinians imprisoned in Israel, including high-profile militants involved in attacks that killed Israelis.

Israel's government has ruled that out for now, but it faces growing pressure from families of the hostages, who want an exchange like the one that took place during a weeklong November ceasefire.

Some Israelis are frustrated by the security failures that preceded the Oct. 7 attack and by Netanyahu's handling of the war. Thousands of people gathered in Tel Aviv over the weekend to call for new elections.

But Netanyahu's far-right coalition partners are pushing him to step up the offensive, with some calling for the “voluntary” emigration of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from Gaza and the re-establishment of Jewish settlements there. Israel withdrew soldiers and settlers from the territory in 2005, two years before Hamas seized power from rival Palestinian forces.

Near the site of an Oct. 7 massacre during a music festival, families of Israeli victims planted trees Sunday.

“What happened after 109 days? Nothing. We’re just still waiting,” said one father, Idan Bahat.


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I know; but I am not so ignorant to say they have toilet brain like your friend @WildApache said and you are agreeing on.

The one who live in dungeon is the one who think the starter of 7th oct was a peace lover and NOT an act of war.
You are a shrewed Zionist.
You only keep quoting 7 October while completely ignoring the past full 8 decades of Israhelli genocide, displacing local people, murdering their child's, burning crops and trees, bulldozing homes, settling zio tourists from all around the world, putting thousands of Palestinians in jails without crimes/trials. And when Palestinians resist they are the one who want war??????
You must be ashamed of your existence.
 
I will not allow you to set the narrative that all this started on Oct 7th! You clearly dont give a damn about all the Palestinians your beloved Israel was killing in West Bank and Gaza, or the unprovoked desecration of Al Aqsa, or the expansion of settlements, or the children in the ziopig jails or the normalisation of the munafiq leaders who made no plan to work towards a Palestinian state. It is clear that you dont even hate the injustice in your heart, but love and encourage it. Munafiq comes to mind! Therefore, Hamas were right to fight back in light of all of this!

This is a war that has not ended and will escalate into something bigger! It will be more than just getting Palestine back but it will rid the region of injustice, secularism, kufr and nifaaq. Stop thinking small.

You're a nuclear power, nothing major will happen. You may get sanctioned and the west will cut ties, but why is that more valuable to you than the blood of Muslims! You can ally yourself with Iran and allign your military with Iran, China and Russia and you will see benefits.

Yes this is true, but who in the middle east is doing that? Nobody! Everyone is making this excuse but I'm not seeing any effort in stalling time to strike Israel, but rather theyre normalising, secularising and allowing the injustice to continue. The Prophet is free from this cowardice. In fact the Prophet describes you and your leaders when he said that my Ummah will become big but weak like the scum of the ocean, and they will suffer Al-wahn, which is a love for the dunya and a fear of death. So don't give me all that holy talk! Iran is the only one following the Prophetic way by stalling a direct strike on Israel so that it prepares itself to get stronger. The Prophet also never made sulh (peace treaty) whilst Muslims were getting killed, which is what your corrupt Arab and Turkish leaders have done. You are a jahil miskeen who needs to go back to his studies.
Lol munafiq is you which don't understand facts and figures
I will not allow you to set the narrative that all this started on Oct 7th! You clearly dont give a damn about all the Palestinians your beloved Israel was killing in West Bank and Gaza, or the unprovoked desecration of Al Aqsa, or the expansion of settlements, or the children in the ziopig jails or the normalisation of the munafiq leaders who made no plan to work towards a Palestinian state. It is clear that you dont even hate the injustice in your heart, but love and encourage it. Munafiq comes to mind! Therefore, Hamas were right to fight back in light of all of this!

This is a war that has not ended and will escalate into something bigger! It will be more than just getting Palestine back but it will rid the region of injustice, secularism, kufr and nifaaq. Stop thinking small.

You're a nuclear power, nothing major will happen. You may get sanctioned and the west will cut ties, but why is that more valuable to you than the blood of Muslims! You can ally yourself with Iran and allign your military with Iran, China and Russia and you will see benefits.

Yes this is true, but who in the middle east is doing that? Nobody! Everyone is making this excuse but I'm not seeing any effort in stalling time to strike Israel, but rather theyre normalising, secularising and allowing the injustice to continue. The Prophet is free from this cowardice. In fact the Prophet describes you and your leaders when he said that my Ummah will become big but weak like the scum of the ocean, and they will suffer Al-wahn, which is a love for the dunya and a fear of death. So don't give me all that holy talk! Iran is the only one following the Prophetic way by stalling a direct strike on Israel so that it prepares itself to get stronger. The Prophet also never made sulh (peace treaty) whilst Muslims were getting killed, which is what your corrupt Arab and Turkish leaders have done. You are a jahil miskeen who needs to go back to his studies.
Lol you are arguing emotionally not have any logic and common sense, you want total destruction/killing of all Palestinians in Isreal and elsewhere

And you're talking nukes dude, if pakistan attack Israel Israel have a chance to intercept Pakistani BMs via Arrow 2/3

And if we hit Israel with nukes what is happened to thousands if not millions of Palestinians exposing to nuclear radiation and fallout think about that first

Sorry if we attack Israel with nukes, Israel will retaliate with its own nukes and ICBMs (Jericho 3) we have no sophisticated ABM system to stop Israeli nukes ( ICBM), which country wants to destroy itself?

Second possibility will be western world will attack Pakistan just like they did in first gulf War with Iraq

And least chance will be that world put sanctions on Pakistan and cut off all relations with Pakistan and by the way which country wants to sanctions on them and live alone from the rest of the world like you and north Korea, so Pakistani govt and the people are not stupid enough to put themselves into harms ways

You're the same country like other Muslim countries doing just lip service to Palestinian cause and supporting terrorists organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah which don't care common and unarmed Palestinians

There was Gazwa just before the death of our prophet (SAW) can't remember the correct name of it (just after the Gazwa-e- Tabuk) where after several leading generals were martyred Muslims army retreat to Medina where sahaba and common people blamed them to retreat from jihad and stuff like that but our prophet (SAW) said that they came to rest and for restore their power and will attack more powerful enemy (Roman) in future INSHALLAH

So Islam believes in logic and common sense not like emotional thinking like you guys are doing
 
You are a shrewed Zionist.
You only keep quoting 7 October while completely ignoring the past full 8 decades of Israhelli genocide, displacing local people, murdering their child's, burning crops and trees, bulldozing homes, settling zio tourists from all around the world, putting thousands of Palestinians in jails without crimes/trials. And when Palestinians resist they are the one who want war??????
You must be ashamed of your existence.

The statement you provided appears to be a strongly biased and one-sided characterization of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

While there have been instances of violence, displacement, and human rights abuses on both sides, it is crucial to approach the topic with a nuanced understanding and consider the broader historical context. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict involves a long history of territorial disputes, wars, negotiations, and attempts at peace.
 
Yeah, I don't understand how Indians can be more Zionists than Israeli occupiers. It is very embarrassing since Israeli occupiers do not even like Indians or acknowledge them lol. Their hatred for Pakistanis and Islam has them carried away considering they have also been colonized and persecuted.
Wholeheartedly agree with this post. Some want to join the IDF and in fact some have died on the frontline. The hatred for Muslims is next level.
Unfortunately their love and desire to save “beautiful Tel Aviv women” is next level. The Israelis are laughing all the way to the frontline - some dark chaps want to die for the chosen ones. You couldn’t make it up if you tried.
 
The statement you provided appears to be a strongly biased and one-sided characterization of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

While there have been instances of violence, displacement, and human rights abuses on both sides, it is crucial to approach the topic with a nuanced understanding and consider the broader historical context. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict involves a long history of territorial disputes, wars, negotiations, and attempts at peace.
Are you approaching this conflict objectively? 30,000 innocent Palestinians have died - collective punishment and as you have already agreed genocide taking place and you haven’t one shown any acceptance that this is war crimes in front of our own eyes. If you want others to view things objectively - why don’t you show us the same respect?
 
Are you approaching this conflict objectively?

Yes. I try to avoid one-sided characterization.

30,000 innocent Palestinians have died -

How do you know the 30,000 dead Palestinians are all innocents? Who knows the 30% of them are Hamas.

collective punishment

This is also one sided characterization of the Israeli.

and as you have already agreed genocide taking place

No I dont. Genocidal accusation is also one sided characterization.

and you haven’t one shown any acceptance that this is war crimes in front of our own eyes. If you want others to view things objectively - why don’t you show us the same respect?

There could be crimes/violation in this war both from Israel and/or Hamas side.
But to say the war is crime is also one sided characterization.
 
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Yes. I try to avoid one-sided characterization.

How do you know the 30,000 dead Palestinians are all innocents? Who knows the 30% of them are Hamas.

This is also one sided characterization of the Israeli


No I dont. Genocidal accusation is also one sided characterization.



There could be crimes/violation in this war both from Israel and/or Hamas side.
But to say the war is crime is also one sided characterization.

The official Count on the Palestinian side has always historically shown accuracy when figures are released - the IDF figures have been proven to be Inaccurate - slaughtering 30,000 carpet bombing - collective punishment - stopping electricity and water
Is genocide and war crimes - it’s not selective - it’s a fact.
Are you telling me Carpet bombing - stopping electric and water - bombing hospitals never
Happened?
Your forces are digging up graves.
Man - what do you call that? Come on have some self respect and say what it is??
 
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Count on the Palestinian side has always historically shown accuracy when figures are released - the IDF figures have been proven to be Inaccurate - slaughtering 30,000 carpet bombing - collective punishment - stopping electricity and water
Is genocide and war crimes - it’s not selective - it’s a fact.
Are you telling me
Carpet bombing - stopping electric and water - bombing hospitals never
Happened?
Your forces are digging up graves
Man - what do you call that? Come on have some self respect and say what it is??

But Israel reject the accusation for carpet bombing.

Till now there is no verdict from UN/ICJ whether Israel really used carpet bombing or not.
So my argument about one sided characterization is still valid for this one.
 
But Israel reject the accusation for carpet bombing.

Till now there is no verdict from UN/ICJ whether Israel really used carpet bombing or not.
So my argument about one sided characterization is still valid for this one.
Lol do you believe in Israeli and western sources, they would say they are giving flowers to Palestinians not bombing, do you believe it there are lots videos proving that they're doing carpet bombing and deny that we not doing carpet bombing Lol
 
Lol do you believe in Israeli and western sources, they would say they are giving flowers to Palestinians not bombing, do you believe it there are lots videos proving that they're doing carpet bombing and deny that we not doing carpet bombing Lol

It is subjective.

For some people, they see Palestine/Hamas as rouge nations - they dont believe news from Hamas and the supporters, while some people (esp Hamas supporters and moslems) they don't believe western news.

Regarding carpet bomb, there is only accusation based on perceptions vs denial from Israel. Thats it.
 

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