Indian Air Force News & Discussions

[DDG-80]

 

[Yasser76]

Tejas MK 2 serial production will start in 5 years time

It is shaping up very well with Rafale like Cockpit and Sensor Fusion

This was specifically demanded by IAF for Tejas Mk.2 after inducting Rafale

And Mirage 2000s will be retired after 2035

Even Now the Tejas MK 1A with AESA is better than Upgraded Mirage which carries RDY 3 radar

Mirage has more fuel carrying capacity and hence more loiter time

And you wonder why no one takes some posters seriously.

MK2 final design has not even been frozen yet, first steel not cut yet on any prototype, order for the plane not even made, yet here we are claiming "serial production in 5 years"....

 

[Pataliputra]

Tejas MK 2 serial production will start in 5 years time

It is shaping up very well with Rafale like Cockpit and Sensor Fusion

This was specifically demanded by IAF for Tejas Mk.2 after inducting Rafale

And Mirage 2000s will be retired after 2035

Even Now the Tejas MK 1A with AESA is better than Upgraded Mirage which carries RDY 3 radar

Mirage has more fuel carrying capacity and hence more loiter time

Tejas MK1A should have a modern cockpit, similar to those in Tejas MK2, Rafale, Gripen, or F-35. I hear JF-17 Block 3 is coming with a modern cockpit that includes a single wide multifunctional display and a side-mounted control stick. J-10C doesn't have that kind of modern cockpit, but the JF-17 Block 3 does.
See this it's a cockpit of India specific rafales it looks better than the cockpit of F-35
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[Sharma Ji]

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cant see

repost pls

 

[Pataliputra]

cant see

repost pls

I am editing the post, picture is high resolution that's why I think it's taking too long to upload

 

[MirageBlue]

Far cry from Indian posters saying they never wanted them. I said it when they were first offered that India is the logical destination for countries looking to rid M2ks. IAF loves them for VERY good reasons and regardless of Tejas or otherwise these will continue to be in the IAF for another 15-20 years for capability and strength.

It absolutely is the most logical choice for the IAF. Those who think otherwise are simply not aware of how capable Mirage-2000-5s are in multiple roles.

In fact, the IAF must look at the Greek Mirage-2000-5 Mk2s as well. They are looking to sell them to finance a buy of 6 Rafales instead.

The problem with ordering any more of the Tejas Mk1A in place of these (which is the standard argument offered) is that HAL cannot deliver any of those Tejas Mk1As before it completes delivery of the 83 on contract plus the 97 that they have an RFP for. Delivering all these 180 itself will take up till 2032.

 

[Circadian Rhythm]

It absolutely is the most logical choice for the IAF. Those who think otherwise are simply not aware of how capable Mirage-2000-5s are in multiple roles.

In fact, the IAF must look at the Greek Mirage-2000-5 Mk2s as well. They are looking to sell them to finance a buy of 6 Rafales instead.

The problem with ordering any more of the Tejas Mk1A in place of these (which is the standard argument offered) is that HAL cannot deliver any of those Tejas Mk1As before it completes delivery of the 83 on contract plus the 97 that they have an RFP for. Delivering all these 180 itself will take up till 2032.

The question is Why we did not go for More Mirages in 2000 A.D after Kargil

It is because we were entering the licenced Serial Production of Su 30

 

[MirageBlue]

The Mirage deal did Not happen in 2001 , because we went for SU 30 Licenced Production

No. It did not happen because despite all the attractive offers that Dassault made, some people in the MoD and GoI felt that going in for a USD 8 billion (that was what it was estimated to cost for 126 of them back then) with a single vendor situation may become the object of corruption allegations. Tehelka had just happened then and politicians were scared, especially given coalition govts were being formed.

They then were offered the F-16 Block 50/52 by LM and Gripen C/D by Saab and then it just opened up to Eurofighter and MiG-29M2. All of a sudden, there was no option but to go for a contest to avoid allegations of bribery and corruption by just considering the Mirage-2000 from Dassault.

Once Dassault realized that the Mirage-2000 would be out performed by other types that were in production, they offered the Rafale instead. That's the short of it.

 

[Pataliputra]

cant see

repost pls

Tejas MK2 cockpit

Rafale cockpit

F-35 cockpit

Cockpit of Tejas MK2 is far better than Rafale cockpit

 

[Yasser76]

Tejas MK2 cockpit
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Rafale cockpit
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F-35 cockpit
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Cockpit of Tejas MK2 is far better than Rafale cockpit

First Rafale flew almost 40 years ago, MK2 Tejas will probably fly in 2030. Cockpit being better should not be a boast

 

[DDG-80]

First Rafale flew almost 40 years ago, MK2 Tejas will probably fly in 2030. Cockpit being better should not be a boast

HAL has started manufacturing the prototype of the Tejas Mk2.

 

[Yasser76]

HAL has started manufacturing the prototype of the Tejas Mk2.

Yeah, world of difference between what HAL says and what happens, any serious Indian military observer realises this.

 

[DDG-80]

1st LCA MK-1A squadron will be raised in the month of July.

 

[Yasser76]

1st LCA MK-1A squadron will be raised in the month of July.

Serious question, if HAL has not delivered a single MK1-A to the air force yet, how do they plan to raise an Sqd next month?

 

[MirageBlue]

The question is Why we did not go for More Mirages in 2000 A.D after Kargil

It is because we were entering the licenced Serial Production of Su 30

No, it is separate from that. The IAF wanted 126 more Mirages. It didn't want any competition or anything of the sort. But it was the time of Tehelka and the govt. was not willing to risk being accused of bribery to give a sole source contract worth billions of USD to Dassault.