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J-31 to be inducted soon

silicon0000 said:

Shenyang Aircraft Corporation Unveils Details of New Chinese J-31B Fifth-Generation Fighter.​



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Shenyang Aircraft Corporation Unveils Details of New Chinese J-31B Fifth-Generation Fighter

Shenyang Aircraft Corporation Unveils Details of New Chinese J-31B Fifth-Generation Fighter
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Please not here again, otherwise the fan-boys again will go mad

Exactly what I said ... a stupid model was placed into a TV-report - either intentionally or by mistake - and now all are jumping the party without using their brain!
There is no larger J-31B and it does not have a side-bay ... it's just a stupid wrong model/CG!

Already too late as it seems:

maverick said:
i said it many times, i will say it again.. J31 will be inducted before dec 2026
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Based on a wrong a false CG in the CHinese TV? :ROFLMAO: 🤡
 
Hi,

The doubters keep doubting and the Paf keeps proving them wrong---.

It has happened so many times before and yet the critics keep coming back and want to be proven wrong---.

PakAl said:
We don't know what is the final design and spec of the j31 to speculate if its cutting edge or not, also the ws19 engine for it is not ready, in a decade time the plane will be upgraded even more, 5.5++ generation j31 with high possibility of ws19 being ready. Sounds perfect.
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Hi,

As to the final specs---we won't know till many years into the induction---and still we won't---.

We will be living on speculations---tidbits from here and there---begging for information but none will be coming forth.

And as for the cutting edge---it will only be for the enemy to find out when the time came and for us to strut around---.
 
PakAl said:
We don't know what is the final design and spec of the j31 to speculate if its cutting edge or not, also the ws19 engine for it is not ready, in a decade time the plane will be upgraded even more, 5.5++ generation j31 with high possibility of ws19 being ready. Sounds perfect.
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This is going to be PLAAN's aircraft carrier fighter and so of course there will be no compromise in terms of the latest cutting edge technology.

Only question is when WS-19 will be ready but the WS-13E with 90kN of thrust can be used as interim engine.
 
Chinese media shows a video in which a new variant of J-31/35 stealth aircraft is aired. The new jet is reportedly named as ‘J-31B’.The J-31B will have sideways internal bays for carrying more long range bvr missiles, enhanced EW capabilities and other features which aren't revealed yet.The J-31B appears significantly larger than base variant. This 5th generation medium-sized stealth fighter is independently under development by SAC.
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UKBengali said:
This is going to be PLAAN's aircraft carrier fighter and so of course there will be no compromise in terms of the latest cutting edge technology.

Only question is when WS-19 will be ready but the WS-13E with 90kN of thrust can be used as interim engine.
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For the PAF, should we assume this is the current design? If this plane got more powerful WS-19 engines, would we see any major external changes? If not can’t the planes be procured with the current engines used on the JF-17 and be swapped out for the WS-19 when they become available (and have the RD-93 engines go to the pool of engines for the JF-17)?

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FuturePAF said:
For the PAF, should we assume this is the current design? If this plane got more powerful WS-19 engines, would we see any major external changes? If not can’t the planes be procured with the current engines used on the JF-17 and be swapped out for the WS-19 when they become available (and have the RD-93 engines go to the pool of engines for the JF-17)?

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Beautiful design. If we get it around 2032 time then its possible an upgraded version of J31 as the technology would be mature by then and Usa and China will be planning first flights for the 6th generation.
 
PakAl said:
Beautiful design. If we get it around 2032 time then its possible an upgraded version of J31 as the technology would be mature by then and Usa and China will be planning first flights for the 6th generation.
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I hope China goes for a design modification of a Pelikan Tail with a more canted angle. Personally saw it (and touched it) on the YF-23, and the way it blends in with the body seemed like an elegant solution, which is being adopted by many of the European 5th gen projects.

The tail was just the right size to be able to maneuver the aircraft that it didn’t need thrust vectoring nozzles. That comes in handy because the engine exhausts passed over basically space shuttle like heat absorbing tiles (with small holes to pass cold air through them) over which the hot exhaust was cooled down, bestowing great IR signature suppression.

So much can be done to improve the J-31 design, and considering the YF-23 is probably the inspiration of many of the proposed navy’s NGAD designs, adopting some of these improvements for the PLANAF’s J-35 might be a good option in a future variant.

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FuturePAF said:
For the PAF, should we assume this is the current design? If this plane got more powerful WS-19 engines, would we see any major external changes? If not can’t the planes be procured with the current engines used on the JF-17 and be swapped out for the WS-19 when they become available (and have the RD-93 engines go to the pool of engines for the JF-17)?
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PAF cannot afford that luxury of swapping engines mid-service - best to wait - China is close to getting the new engines ready for prime time. Right now - the 271 BVR equipped fighters with AEW&C and the new IADS are more than enough to hold off the IAF.
 
Hi,
For the sake of new members on this forum,
Just couple of lines for J31/35 induction within
PAF, please keep timeline of J10c in PLAAF from
There one can keep approximate timeline for
J31, another criteria for induction is look east and access the situation for J35, now Indian fans will start writing about AMCA which I don’t want to mention as it’s not easy to rollout to soon, so next availability is F35 if not for IAF, PAF is not in rush
As J10c in sufficient numbers can keep at bay
Rafale from entering Pakistani territory
Rest assured PAF will get J31 if not KAAN, but not
Like a decade away
Thank you
 
Ali_Baba said:
PAF cannot afford that luxury of swapping engines mid-service - best to wait - China is close to getting the new engines ready for prime time. Right now - the 271 BVR equipped fighters with AEW&C and the new IADS are more than enough to hold off the IAF.
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I agree, better to wait for the engines. This applies to both the J-31 as well as the KAAN. For us, the top priorities, for the next 5 years, have to be our political issues and economy.

If China is right around the corner from ramping up production of J-31/35 and J-20s, once it retires it’s J-7s, J-8s, and JH-7s, it will move on to early Flankers and J-10s. Therefore, PAF should look to see if it can ask China to sell its early J-10s. With refurbishment and upgrade to cover the retirement of F-7s and Mirages. We already have built up the infrastructure for the 25 J-10CP. Picking up an additional 65-75 older J-10s would also allow J-31 procurement to be pushed back, beyond 2030, and until China has met its needs and perfected the design, much like how the PAF operates the J-10CP, probably the most advanced version of the J-10 that will be fielded, as China loves on to 5th gen fighters.

Should relations improve with the US, such that the PAF can get at least the Turkish Ozgur upgrade, that will also help the PAF buy even more enough time. Ozgur might be an even better upgrade then an American upgrade, because the PAF F-16s would get a more reliable and more capable uninterrupted supply of munitions from Turkey then the US.

Assuming even with attrition and retirement of older airframes, the PAF could have a very capable all 4th gen fleet in 2030 of 20 full strength squadrons; enough to hold back an IAF of under 30 squadrons.

The next 5 years have to be about the economy, so 3-4 squadrons each of the J-31 and KAAN can be procured in the 2030s and 2040s, and the PAF can keep its edge over the IAF.
 
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Yasser76 said:
No need to rush, PAF should wait for WS-19, as much advancement in it's radar and avionics to create J-35 levels of situational awareness and then go for the premier version. J-10C and F-16s can hold the line for next 5 years
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F16s should start to retire in the 2030s

Should be when we start to induct j-31s
 
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