PAF Future Acquisition Plans

[BonitoBoy]

So looks like a new PAF in 10 years looking like JF-17C, J-10C, F-16, J-35 and KAAN? Feels like far too many types. Maybe J-10C purchase was. a mistake or interim buy with limited numbers?

Forgot L-15???

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Next Stop KAAN Inshallah

 

[FuturePAF]

Hi,

On the contrary---the J10C was ready.

The real surprise was for the Paf to find out its capabilities---.

Perhaps it just came down to the indigenous engines. Once they meet PLAAF requirements, the PAF then goes in for the buy. Same principle seems to apply for the J-31 and the WS-13 engine.

Hopefully, the engines can be replaced in a mid life upgrade down the line, when more powerful engines are available and in wide use.

 

[FuturePAF]

J-31/35 makes sense for Pakistan as sharing same powerplant with JF-17. However news that Pakistan is a partner in Kaan could indicate either Pakistan is playing hard ball with both or PAF will opt for a heavily customized airframe combining sub systems from both. Buying x2 5th gen aircraft doesnt make sense.

Would have hoped Azm would have been a clean design similar to F-23 though but personally in favor of the J-31/35 over Kaan as Chinese have more experience in aircraft development.

KAAN fighters powered by the WS-10B used on the PAF’s J-10CE could mean a certain level of commonality. If the PAF eventually fields around 96 J-10CE And about 54 KAAN Fighters it would mean over 200 engines in active use. The PAF could try to get domestic ToT (along side possible local production of the WS-13E) to support its fighters. For the Turks, it would mean the KAAN would be available earlier for export, as a non-western engine variant would be avialable.

How would the KAAN fit in the mix? Probably optimized for the A2A role, whereas the J-31 could be more multi role.

 

[Trailer23]

BTW, J-31 news (My love since 2015) brought me back to it and now I am once again interested in all this.

You got no idea how much I’ve always fancied that machine

Just follow Indian Defense Research Wing (IDRW).

It seems ever since the J-31/J-35 news got out, that site is on fire.

Titles to parnay wallay hotay hain aur daikh kay andaza hota hai kay chotroo may utni aah lage howe hai.

Chirna aur randi-rona tou Indians say seekey.

I swear, itna tou hum nay bhee Rafale ko nahe cover keya.

 

[Qureshi]

KAAN fighters powered by the WS-10B used on the PAF’s J-10CE could mean a certain level of commonality. If the PAF eventually fields around 96 J-10CE And about 54 KAAN Fighters it would mean over 200 engines in active use. The PAF could try to get domestic ToT (along side possible local production of the WS-13E) to support its fighters. For the Turks, it would mean the KAAN would be available earlier for export, as a non-western engine variant would be avialable.

How would the KAAN fit in the mix? Probably optimized for the A2A role, whereas the J-31 could be more multi role.

What led you to that conclusion? Surely, the size, wait and dimensions of any power plant should be taken into account before it is equipped with an aircraft & above all will China allow that to happen.

 

[spammmmer]

How will pakistan maintain so many different jets??
What is the need for same class weight jet like j31 and kaan both are 5th gen so why go for 2 fifth gen when both are similar?
Similarly what is the need of more j10 if you are getting 2 types of 5th gen in such a short time.
I dont get it j10, j31, kaan, jf17 4 different types of jets dosent make sense.
Even india is seeing its mistake and trying to induct as many less types as possible.
Further for just 36 rafale which are not even inducted for pakistani border paf even after having j10 still requiring 5th gen sounds ununderstandable.

 

[StormBreaker]

Just follow Indian Defense Research Wing (IDRW).

It seems ever since the J-31/J-35 news got out, that site is on fire.

Titles to parnay wallay hotay hain aur daikh kay andaza hota hai kay chotroo may utni aah lage howe hai.

Chirna aur randi-rona tou Indians say seekey.

I swear, itna tou hum nay bhee Rafale ko nahe cover keya.

Lol

 

[Barcid]

I don't think India would commit itself to F-35 or with Russian Su 57 but would attempt to Join Fifth or Fight plus generation programs of BAE's Tempest program by UK OR Future Combat Air System by France.

It is necessary for India to avoid Technical and more importantly Political complications which could arise by adopting system either from US or Russia for their future defence needs.

Though India will keep USA engage in many domains of their defence requirements but would be a preferred choice in Logistics, Naval and domains

Why would India join anything when AMCA already exists? We already tried joining PAK FA once.

We could purchase f35 or pak fa in small numbers as emergency purchase in case there is imbalance in the neighborhood, but that's all.

Apart from the engine, we are anyways developing all required technologies inhouse.

 

[hyperman]

India has gotten things like NSG waivers none of treaty allies have gotten.

Umm.. all the treaty allies are already NSG members unlike India, they didn't need a waiver b/c they didn't have a nuclear weapons program that was outside of the NPT treaty. Why would any of them have needed waivers?

As for static display and airshows, thats not the same as operations, when doing airshows outside of the country the sensors and other things are not active, so there isn't a risk for them being snooped. Plus in airshows and in other non combat situations, the planes are purposely equipped with devices that increase the RCS of the place, so you can't get a clear true RCS signature.

 

[hyperman]

We could purchase f35

Yeah and I can date Scarlett Johansson. lol

 

[hyperman]

India and USA have some kind of a CISMOA in place

COMCASA: Another Step Forward for the United States and India

The conclusion of the COMCASA agreement between India and the United States is a big deal.

thediplomat.com

They signed a limited agreement, the key details of the CISMOA, India is still resisting.

 

[hyperman]

for the J-31 and the WS-13 engine.

WS-19, WS-13 are old engines and RD-93 copies, the WS-19 is the one with goodies that the WS-15 has, its more akin to the newer GE414 variants that are in production.

 

[hyperman]

What led you to that conclusion? Surely, the size, wait and dimensions of any power plant should be taken into account before it is equipped with an aircraft & above all will China allow that to happen.

The Chinese(or Russian we don't know) thing was speculated in Turkish defense blogs, there was an interview with the project manager of KAAN, and they discussed contingencies if Turkey was not able to get the F110 engines, and he mentioned they had consultations with a different country regarding potentially supplying the engines, and people speculated it was either China or Russia, with the WS-10C/WS-15 or Russians with the AL-41/AL-51, as those are the only engines in the same class outside the US(there is technically a japanese engine, but its in testing, and not really likely).

 

[hyperman]

What is the need for same class weight jet like j31 and kaan both are 5th gen so why go for 2 fifth gen when both are similar?

they are not in the same class, The KAAN is a heavy fighter. the J-31 is a medium sized fighter.