Why is there such a big difference The ISS is crowded, but the Chinese Tiangong space station is like an Apple store

[VCheng]

If we are done with the actual topic of this thread it is better closed. Just a heads up.

 

[Developereo]

Actually... its the other way round. Most non US countries are living in past shadow of USA.

That is true for most countries but China is the exception, which is what makes it shine.

The more the US tries to stop China's rise, the more China laughs back and continues advancing.

 

[Developereo]

Of course. And von Braun’s work goes back all the way to the great Chinese invention of fireworks and rocketry. All advancements happen in such stages.

Exactly. All advances build upon earlier knowledge.

Only a fool would start from scratch rather than learning from what has worked, what has failed, and what can be improved.

 

[VCheng]

Exactly. All advances build upon earlier knowledge.

Only a fool would start from scratch rather than learning from what has worked, what has failed, and what can be improved.

Newton’s quote about standing on the shoulders of giants comes to mind here.

 

[Developereo]

Newton’s quote about standing on the shoulders of giants comes to mind here.

There is a joke to make sure the giants are looking the right way , but agreed.

 

[VersusChristi]

China is the exception, which is what makes it shine.

No. China is trying to do what US has done in 60s, 70s or 80s. At the very least in Space technology.
For instance, China has to yet develop anything close to Space Shuttle, deploy in mass production reusable stages or a rocket that has some very high lift capabilities.

Remember, I am not saying they can not do it. I am saying they are not there yet.

 

[Developereo]

No. China is trying to do what US has done in 60s, 70s or 80s. At the very least in Space technology.
For instance, China has to yet develop anything close to Space Shuttle, deploy in mass production reusable stages or a rocket that has some very high lift capabilities.

Remember, I am not saying they can not do it. I am saying they are not there yet.

They started late.

They will get there, or decide there are better alternatives to pursue instead, and develop those. Then other countries will learn from China's successes or failures.

It's all good since humanity advances...

 

[VersusChristi]

They started late.

They will get there, or decide there are better alternatives to pursue instead, and develop those. Then other countries will learn from China's successes or failures.

It's all good since humanity advances...

Look, I am not saying that Chinese are not capable or slow or whatever. I am merely saying as of now they are still under the same shadow that rest of the world is as far as space technology goes. USA is ahead of them significantly.

And yes, they will reach there if they keep on investing in that field. There is no real barrier anywhere in any technology. Its a question of investing money and political will to do it. Rest all can be solved in due time.

 

[hyperman]

Look, I am not saying that Chinese are not capable or slow or whatever. I am merely saying as of now they are still under the same shadow that rest of the world is as far as space technology goes. USA is ahead of them significantly.

And yes, they will reach there if they keep on investing in that field. There is no real barrier anywhere in any technology. Its a question of investing money and political will to do it. Rest all can be solved in due time.

China is the Copy Cat Ninja. And I don't mean this in a bad way, They take the path of least resistance in acquiring tech and know how, and then build on top of it, and there is absolutely no shame in that, its actually the smartest thing to do. Only idiot nationalists get upset forgetting the tech isn't a dick measuring contest of "who is smarter"(as if such a thing could be determined in such an arbitrary manor) or who did it first. Its about operationalizing a capability. The bomb they drop or the satellite they launch isn't going to be affected by it being a copy and many times, the copier surpasses the one he is copying, just look at the Russian Flankers being surpassed by the Chinese Flankers.

Its like Naruto with Kakashi the copy cat ninja copying and closing the gap, until he surpasses the guy in the technique he is copying, beating him to the next step. lol

 

[xiao]

China is the Copy Cat Ninja. And I don't mean this in a bad way, They take the path of least resistance in acquiring tech and know how, and then build on top of it, and there is absolutely no shame in that, its actually the smartest thing to do. Only idiot nationalists get upset forgetting the tech isn't a dick measuring contest of "who is smarter"(as if such a thing could be determined in such an arbitrary manor) or who did it first. Its about operationalizing a capability. The bomb they drop or the satellite they launch isn't going to be affected by it being a copy and many times, the copier surpasses the one he is copying, just look at the Russian Flankers being surpassed by the Chinese Flankers.

Its like Naruto with Kakashi the copy cat ninja copying and closing the gap, until he surpasses the guy in the technique he is copying, beating him to the next step. lol

Just like stealth planes, everyone is imitating the United States, radar is free China, there is nothing wrong with imitating better technology, if there is a ready-made solution, do not use it, but go and develop it again from scratch, then there is a problem with the brain

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Just like stealth planes, everyone is imitating the United States, radar is free China, there is nothing wrong with imitating better technology, if there is a ready-made solution, do not use it, but go and develop it again from scratch, then there is a problem with the brain

No, an example of this is how China spent years and years trying to figure out how to extrude the metal used in jet engine fan blades in different densities along their lengths. By the time they did Western engine makers had switched to ceramics finding them the better route than metal. Now extrusion is obsolete.

That energy would have been better spent taking a step back and looking to see if there was alternatives to extrusion. Perhaps beating Western engine makers to the punch and patenting the better ceramic tech.

Starliner is going to launch in May. That will be the 6th manned orbital spacecraft design the US has built to fly people into orbit. In 2025 there is a manned Orion spacraft mission which will then make it #7.

After 20+ years China is still currently on their first which is actually a modified Soyuz design which itself is from the 1960s. While we use touchscreens..you use long Soyuz button sticks.

 

[xiao]

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No, an example of this is how China spent years and years trying to figure out how to extrude the metal used in jet engine fan blades in different densities along their lengths. By the time they did Western engine makers had switched to ceramics finding them the better route than metal. Now extrusion is obsolete.

That energy would have been better spent taking a step back and looking to see if there was alternatives to extrusion. Perhaps beating Western engine makers to the punch and patenting the better ceramic tech.

Starliner is going to launch in April. That will be the 6th manned orbital spacecraft design the US has built to fly people into orbit. In 2025 there is a manned Orion spacraft mission which will then make it #7.

After 20+ years China is still currently on their first which is actually a modified Soyuz design which itself is from the 1960s. While we use touchscreens..you use long Soyuz button sticks.

No way, our airliner has just started, there is not much technology, even if there is a ready-made bill, after all, you can't send the plane into the sky without knowing anything, that is irresponsible for life, and for Starliner I am not very hopeful about it, after all, Musk's rocket attempt takes many times, the attempt is good, and new knowledge can be learned from the unknown

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

No way, our airliner has just started, there is not much technology, even if there is a ready-made bill, after all, you can't send the plane into the sky without knowing anything,

You had engines for fighter jets didn't you? Or wait...were they all Russian too?

that is irresponsible for life, and for Starliner I am not very hopeful about it, after all, Musk's rocket attempt takes many times, the attempt is good, and new knowledge can be learned from the unknown

Starliner has nothing to do with SpaceX/Elon Musk.

This is Starliner (likely #6)

You are confusing it with Starship

Starship

..and that will likely be far away at #9 or #10 since Orion will likely be #7 and Dreamchaser is likely to be #8

Orion

Orion (likely #7)

Dreamchaser

Dreamchaser (likely #8)